Capitals 4, Islanders 3 (SO): Isles Lose Two players in Loss to Caps

Christian Arnold, Islanders Point Blank:

UNIONDALE, N.Y — The Islanders lost more than just a hockey game Saturday night at Nassau Coliseum.

New York fell 4-3 in the shootout to the Washington Capitals, as well as saw two players leave the game with injuries. Both Michael Grabner and Calvin de Haan suffered injure that forced them to leave Saturday’s contest early. Grabner went to the Islander room after taking a fist to the face in the first period and de Haan was shook up after getting tangled up with Alexander Ovechkin behind the net, and then getting hit in the body with a shot.

Islander head coach Jack Capuano told reporters after the game that he will be out with an upper body injury. There was no update on de Haan’s condition.

“You don’t want to see anybody get hurt,” Capuano said. “These are two really good players that log a lot of minutes for us, especially when you have eight to 10 rookies dressed in your lineup. We’ll just wait to see what the outcome is and what the doctor has to say.”

Despite the injuries, the Islanders had been playing well. They jumped to a 1-0 lead 12:55 into the first period off a goal from Cal Clutterbuck. The Capitals tied the game early in the second, but the Islanders responded minutes later.

John Persson put the Islanders ahead 2-1 after he shot the puck on net and it snuck through the pads of Capitals’ goaltender Braden Holtby. The goal was Persson’s first in the National Hockey League. Frans Nielsen made it 3-1 during the power play. Josh Bailey fed Nielsen down low and Nielsen fired a quick one-timer from the face-off circle.

But the Capitals just as quickly tied the game back up.

Nicklas Backstrom cut the Isles lead to 3-2 with a goal at 12:45 of the second period and Joel Ward tied the game at 15:01. The game tying goal came off a sloppy turnover in the Isles zone. Ward picked off a clearing attempt right in front of the net and easily beat Evgeni Nabokov.

The game remained tied through the rest of the game and overtime. It was Evgeny Kuznetsov’s lone goal in the shootout that secured the win for the visiting Capitals.

“Obviously we had that lead, but they kept pressing and they kept coming,” Capuano said. “We lose Grabner then we lose de Haan, so I give our guys full marks against a real good team here. A very skilled team. We held some of their guys in check and overall it was good effort.”

The Islanders had a good effort for the most part in Saturday’s loss, but obviously let a win slip away. What can be said for the Isles is that they are hanging with some good teams and giving other teams fighting for a playoff spot trouble.

“We beat Jersey, we beat columbus,” Ryan Strome said after the game. “We’ve been beating some teams that have really been in the hunt right now. We know the standings. We know where we’re at, but a lot of guys are in it for next year and trying to earn spots. These guys are pushing for the playoffs, we’re pushing for a job.”




51 comments
bubbamac19
bubbamac19

Went to the game...good action throughout... VERY concerned about deHaan, looked like a knee? No replay was shown... Holtby won the game for the caps... terrible giveaway by Hickey on the tying goal, seemed like he panicked a bit there... as I've stated in the past, in order for a goalie to achieve "NHL average" save percentage, he'd have to play lights out in front of this D (as Holtby did last night) on a regular basis. And that includes next year with a younger D.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

the point about the post-olympic schedule was in the context of the islanders' 'strong finish' and the 'improvement' that promises for next year.

as for goalie's save pct...  someone said 'they win LAST NIGHT if nabby saves .900.'  so i described the three washington goals LAST NIGHT to illustrate that it's a team, not just a goalie playing in a vacuum.  turns out that for each and every goal last night there's more to say about the d-men, than the goalie.  if you saw the game...

in general, if you give two goalies the same defense, obviously the better goalie will have a better save pct.  BUT... if you give the same goalie a better defense, the same goalie will have a better save pct.  it's not just a stat about the goalie.  it's about goalie&defense.  so if you say islanders would win with a .920 save pct, you can't just pin the goalie's name on it.  no sane goalie is going to come here looking for his .920 pct.

if you want to use data you have to understand what it's really saying.  and no, cheap sarcasm isn't gonna explain anything.

drive45
drive45

Kane is overrated and Reimer isn't that good. Keep our top five pick (hopefully top four), trade our two second rounders to trade up into the first round to draft goalie Thatcher Demko. Sign one of the UFA goalies and most important of all, hire a new coach. This team will be much better next year. And believe me, I'm the biggest pessimist. The key, don't go Milbury and trade our top young prospects. Trade our Sebastian Collbergs if there's a backup goalie GM who would take them!!!

Chris Molloy
Chris Molloy

We need Goalies and D-men, so hopefully we will have knucklehead Snow and the rest of the corrupt management out for next season. From the above post, an almost accurate quote from Ryan Strome "We beat the Devils and Columbus who are fighting for the playoffs". All of us over 18 years of age have heard similar quotes from. Jeff Tambalini, Bruno Gervais, P.A. Parenteau, Matt Moulson, Jack Hillen. Richard Park, Mark Striet, Andrew McDonald, Nino, Marty Reasoner, Rob Schremp  and many others (but not Thomas Vanick). You will hear it from many others who are currently 14 years old in five years from now who are stars in their town and still we will have no playoff series wins unless those pathetic worthless human beings leave the Islander organization

John Richards
John Richards

The bolts got Ben bishop for Cory frikin conacher!!! We got sabby collberg for Tomas vanek who we got for Matt moulson a one and a two!! Yup great job snowy!!

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

On to other topics,,, as this game just was not all that important, at least aside from the fact that Grabner and deHaan were injured.  Just why WAS Grabner out there anyway???  Please sit him down and let him recover.  We do not need him right now in garbage time.  

The rumor mill is going to start turning out some grist pretty quickly in Winnipeg,,, Evander Kane was a healthy scratch tonight against Toronto.  Jets coach Paul Maurice promised to ice his best lineup against the Maple Leafs, and then he scratched Kane.  Apparently Maurice thinks his team is better without Kane.  I think the Islanders would be better with Kane.  Now it's on Snow to see what it takes and that price is dropping because apparently Kane in no longer all that important to the Jets... 

mrcisback
mrcisback

 It looks like Lee might have fooled us all including myself with his hot scoring start. He hasn't come close to scoring a goal in about 6 or 7 games now.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

btw,  i read somewhere that according to the elias sports bureau the islanders had the easiest schedule in the league after the olympic break.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

of the three washington goals, the first provided confirmation that carkner can't cover anybody; on the second dehaan was hurt and couldn't get in the play; and on the third hickey had a nice assist for ward.  now you can play the elementary school math and say if nabby saves .900 they win.  but look at the game and how things actually happen.

or let me put it this way...  you want the goalie to save 90%?  get a better defense.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

@bubbamac19  de haan looked like the whole left leg was at risk.  he goes into the boards hard ankle-first, then jams the whole leg on top of it, knee included.  all i can say is let's hope that being young helps and he can bounce back in a few days.

i agree with your point about the defense, which is exactly what i've been thinking.  a better goalie would help, but even a good save pct isn't going to translate to the same extent until the islanders have a better defense.  you're right about hickey's play, and look at carkner on the first goal too.

you can't just talk about corsi and save pct like you can manipulate those numbers and make a good team.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@gleichzahl Exactly, when the team's GAA is 28th in the league, it's more then just the goalie...

 Defense and coaching also plays a big role 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@drive45

Reimer's career save % is higher than any goalies we have had in a long time.  Even in a bad yr, he is better than what we have by a long shot.  I don't think we'd have to give up much more than a couple of picks

Vicp73
Vicp73

@REDSpointofview  It's nice to see coach Paul Maurice make players accountable, even young stars like Kane aren't immune to riding the pine. 

mrcisback
mrcisback

@REDSpointofview   I agree Red. Kane would look awful good on JT's line with Okposo but i wouldn't give away the farm. Maybe Bailey's reassurance could improve his trade value. 

John Richards
John Richards

Two weeks ago anders Lee was the next great power forward in this league!! I'm warning people our prospects are overrated!!

willymayshays
willymayshays

@mrcisback  

I never thought can't miss 1st liner, but he has surpassed my expectations with his defense.  Over all, not a terrible skater, decent shot and very strong on the puck, (which I really like)   Hopefully a avg-good 2nd line player.  That's something to get excited about IMO.



willymayshays
willymayshays

@gleichzahl

Are you saying it's not the goaltending, just the defense.  If you're saying it's both... we all know this.  

But, the goaltending is the weakest link of any position, throughout the entire organization.  And that's not an opinion.

csd21
csd21

@Vicp73 @gleichzahl The change in Ryan Miller's stats after being traded to the blues is a great example of how team defense affects goalie stats.  When playing for Buffalo his GAA was 2.72 and SV% was .923, his stats with the Blues are 2.15 and .915.  His save percentage got worse but his GAA improved.  Buff is 28th in the league for SA/G averaging 34.5 SA/G, while the Blues are second with 26.4 SA/G.


With that said the Islanders SA/G is 16th in the league but their team GA/G is 28th.  The rest of the GA/G bottom 5 is comprised of teams that are also in the bottom 5 for SA/G, this suggest the Islanders have sub-par goal-tending, which they do.  Yet, the stats don't show how many times the defensive breaks downs are so bad that it is near impossible for the goalie to make the save.

drive45
drive45

Would rather try to sign a UFA than have our backup goalie GM make a trade! Might give up another first rounder!

drive45
drive45

I wouldn't mind having Kane but do you really want our backup goalie GM making any more trades? Rather just stay the course.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Jeff Roland @drive45 

Why would anyone want to try and trade such a good young player?  


If Kane is a headcase, I would not giving up a bunch to get him.

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@rmreturns  Vanek was awful while he was here. Moulson was a virtual unknown until he got here. Your arguments suck as usual, rm.

John Richards
John Richards

LA is an elite team bozo won a cup and went to a conf final or don't you follow the out of town scores???

dkdk
dkdk

Kane gets benched, Bailey get extra ice time. And some of our fans want to reward Bailey's overally lack of effort for most of the season (again) with a spot on the top line next year. Some of our own fans practice as little accountability as the coach they kill.

shlo
shlo

@Vicp73 This is what a REAL coach suppose to do.

We get "battle level" speech.

madmike
madmike

@mrcisback @REDSpointofview I mentioned a couple of weeks ago regarding Kane's character.  Last night proves my point.  His talent is undeniable but a young Islanders team doesn't need a distraction like that.  Who would hold him accountable??  The coach?  Veteran leadership?  I rest my case.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@mrcisback @REDSpointofview  

If Kane's stock is free falling in Winnipeg, and a healthy scratch after the coach had stated that he was going to play his best line up indicates just that, then the price is free falling as well.  Of course,,, we have Snow making the deal so that might not work in our favor but, I would think it's about to cost a lot less to get him...

John Richards
John Richards

Something to get excited about?? An average second liner?? The guy cannot shoot the puck dmen are already figuring out he's a one trick pony!!

willymayshays
willymayshays

@rmreturns  

No

An easy 2nd half schedule does not mean the 1st half of the season was that much harder.    No schedule is 100% balanced, it is not created by the fairness wizard and his crystal ball.  

But, you can look back and see for yourself what the opponents records where when the Islanders faced them.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@willymayshays @gleichzahl  I guess Garth missed the memo on the importance of having solid goaltending , just another example of his inept ability to get the job done . 

willy not only is it the weakest position throughout the entire organization, It's the weakest throughout the entire league. Not bad  considering Garth  had 8 seasons to fix the problem

nyicdneh
nyicdneh

how many goalies have we drafted in recent years and the isles have 0 starters to show for it. even the 2nd round pick we received with clutterbuck and used to draft a goalie 70th overall in the nino deal sports a sparkling .890 SVP! nice! should have gone after khudobin last offseason!

mrcisback
mrcisback

@rmreturns   The Islanders goaltending is just horrible. Theres a lot of goaltenders who face more shots then Nabakov and Nilsson and they have a better save %. Just look at Tampa.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

@csd21 @Vicp73 @gleichzahl  oh, they sure could use a better goalie.  i'm saying that you can't look over the list of nhl goalies and simply find your .920.

as for sa/g, that's more of a total team stat, in a sense.  islanders give up somewhat fewer shots because they can actually attack pretty well.  but as you say, it's also quality of shots against.  obviously not all shots are the same, which is something save pct can't take into account.  islanders give up some pretty good looks.

on miller and halak with new teams, imo you need a bigger sample before you really can judge the difference.

csd21
csd21

@Vicp73 @gleichzahlIf you look at Halak's stat changes they are the exact opposite of Ryan Millers, he went from a 2.23/.917 with the blues to a 2.53/.923 with the capitals.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@Vicp73 @willymayshays @Jeff Roland @drive45  On point Vic.  A lot of guys on this Kane kick are under the impression he is going to be a gift.  You better start with KO going the other way or something comparable.  Obviously that will not work for us but the Jets are going to get a blue chip for him, if all of the BS is true.  

Vicp73
Vicp73

@willymayshays @Jeff Roland @drive45  Mike Richards, Jeff Carter and Tyler Seguin were all supposed to be headcases too, i wouldn't read much into that, just young guys enjoying their celebrity status with millions in their pocket. Think of what most of us would be doing at 22 years with that kind of coin. If I can get Kane here i do it in a heartbeat 

wangbegone
wangbegone

@rmreturns  I am starting to think you are sick in the head outside of just being a shill. 


F U WANG!

dkdk
dkdk

And we are again leaving out the point that 29 other teams had little to no interest in Vanek because of the minny rumors, but snow knew better! Until he didn't. As usual.

John Richards
John Richards

You cannot seperate one from the other imo!! The symbiosis between owner/gm/coach/player/prospect too intertwined!!!! IMO!! Non will be stars!!

John Richards
John Richards

Cause our prospects are so well coached right?? And snowy on draft day is second only to Kenny Holland right??

willymayshays
willymayshays

@John Richards  

He was a sixth rd pick, lets have some perspective.   If Strome is a avg 2nd line center I will be disappoint.  Lee was, for me, a 3rd liner, maybe 4th, maybe not NHL material! 

camb33
camb33

@John Richards Dude...he's trying to sell ticket plans for next season, he's rehearsing the propaganda he will spew to potential buyers

John Richards
John Richards

They were dead with okposo and tavares too pal!! Don't u watch these games??

willymayshays
willymayshays

@nyicdneh  

Like I said, organization wide weakness.  It's a big problem, and fixing it will not make us a perfect team, but it would be a huge step in the right direction. 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@mrcisback @rmreturns 

Nabby has been much better 2nd half of the season, early on, when not injured, he looked at times flat out awful. 

Between de Haan's help and Nabby looking sharper the team is winning without JT, Grabner, Vis or Okposo.