Caps owner congratulates Ledecky & Malkin on purchase of Isles

Christian Arnold, Islanders Point Blank:

Jonathan Ledecky and Scott Malkin will become the new owners of the New York Islanders. First, as minority stake holders, and then take full control of the franchise in two years.

The announcement of the deal prompted Washington Capitals Owner Ted Leonsis to congratulate Ledecky, who was co-owner of the Caps from 1999 to 2001, on his blog.

Jon, forever now to be known as Katie Ledecky’s uncle, was a terrific and enthusiastic co owner of the Capitals, back in the day. He and his partner will bring passion, energy and commitment to community to Charles Wang and the Islanders, when this deal is approved.

Ledecky held a minority share of the Capitals for three years before selling it to Leonsis in 2001.




156 comments
puckznpadz
puckznpadz

Heard some news this morning from a few friends with ties to the NHL.  They are saying that the NHL is not going to approve this sale. The lawsuit with Barrows being the sticking point.  Apparently one of Barrows silent partners was Gary Bettman's brother. Not saying this golden.

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

I have full confidence the islanders will make the playoffs this year.

Reasons:

- Last year at the old barn - a send off to remember reason enough

- A good 2nd line finally not depending soley on line 1 the past 7 seasons.

- # 1 the team is being sold, has investors, with deep pockets, NHL experience/resume, and a bright future ahead!

We just need 1 defenseman by trade to complete the team this year to carry farther into the playoffs.

dinbigd
dinbigd

No point in debating what's already done. I for one believe Isles are clearly better today than last year. We can all argue its too late , been too long, wrong moves were made etc. but one simple fact still remains. They are & will be a better team. Isn't that what we all wanted? Who cares how we got here lets just sit back & enjoy the last season at the Coli while looking forward to what can be in Brooklyn.

phishstyx1
phishstyx1

why is Harry Zolnierczyk, Kael Mouillierat, and prospects Villa Pokka, Jesse Graham on the Islanders website Roster?? No Griffin Reinhart?? WTF

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

I wish the islanders stayed right here in Nassau but economics played a key role in it. Today's sports to be a successful team you have to market your game to CORP AMERICA they buy most of the tickets not just a family of 4.

It's tells you moving to Brooklyn a few offers where on the table for wang to sell the franchise. Selling in Nassau to a different group wasn't going to happen.

Unless you had an Alumni x-islander try to buy the team but they don't have 400 plus mill.

Brooklyn is only a 45 minute ride by train from Nassau and Suffolk as far as Amityville is 1 hr. I won't be able to attend games on weekdays but defiantly on Friday - Sunday.

Guys- prices

1. Parking at the coliseum is about what $10-$12 bucks now, plus buying food, and the tickets.

2. A train ride cost $7-$9 per ticket on off peak and weekends, plus food, and a ticket. Any that has a job can handle that.

ivo
ivo

I hope these guys are not A-holes!

(Steven Gluckstern & the Milstein brothers idiots)

bobbyclark
bobbyclark

Come on!! They cant' be any worse than Wang... Right?

tpjm
tpjm

Congrats Ledecky & Malkin! New location, new arena and soon to be new owners. I have never been happier!!  Good luck gentleman.


Hey Islesfan74, thank Mr. Wang for keeping NYI in NY.  The lack of new arena on LI was all the fault of the politicians and the residents who didn't care about NYI. They voted down the referendum for NYI to leave and re-elected the pols who didn't want the Lighthouse. Most civilized communities that grow have real mini cities like White Plains and Stamford Ct. LI is stuck in the 50's where no growth of suburbia doesn't work in 2014 or the 15 years prior. The Lighthouse was a complex not a mini city. The repubs just didn't want the growth of the Dems from increased housing so that's why the Lighthouse was shot down along with NYI. Wang did everything he could to keep NYI on LI and he gets my thanks for moving them to BROOKLYN instead of KC or Quebec. I have issues with the way he runs the hockey team but the arena situation wasn't his fault at all. You'll have to excuse some of the more naive posters. Just know we're not all dense like that and I like what you said in your discussion. Looking forward to NYI success with the new owners and the new arena.  


Cheers!

Robert Konigsberg
Robert Konigsberg

as happy as i am, i have to admit with wang destroying the franchise so much beyond repair, and with charles in charge for two more years til he gives up the ship, there is no telling what he and snow might do to destroy the franchise even more since he knows he has two more years to do the most stupid things, since in his delusional and dysfunctional world, he thinks he knows better then everyone else. lets just hope wang and snow dont go all out and do the most stupid moves possible, like more stupid nino, and moulson,vanak, fiascos for scrubs or rentals. we have no number 1 pick in the draft, which is the best in many years thanks to clueless wang and his even more clueless and inept gm. lets just hope wang and snow dont go all out to destroy the franchise even more til the new owners take over.

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

Also guys I wanted so bad for the islanders to stay right where they are now but tell me 1 basketball team, Baseball team or Hockey team that plays in a suburban community in today's world have a winning track record in the past 10 yrs? None!!!

Times have changed corp America is what sponsors and buys more groups of tickets then a family to see a game. That's Long Island majority of fans attending the game.

No money in it for the owners of any sports today.

It's simply ECONOMICS! Sad but true !

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

Yes as islander fans of course we are skeptical but why can't you admit. We have a bright future ahead .

Oh I know...

1. 20 yrs of failed promisesabd disappointments but....

2. It's changing thing is a lot of these islander fans don't like the idea the team is moving to Brooklyn and not staying here .

Get off your butts and travel to Brooklyn on weekend games at least!!!!

Coming from a dir hard islander fan since 1982.

The islanders could not survive on Long Island in a suburban community. We lost the Rags practice facilty in LB, the Nets, the jet and now the islanders.

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

Finally after 20 yrs we have stability on the horzian. Why??? Because these owners have a good track record and resume. Not like the miltsteins, spano, and wang until this years moves .

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

This problem is a lot of these Bloggers are still young puppies. They weren't even born 80% of them when the islanders won in the 80's or had even a good team in the early 90's with Pierre T, Steve Thomas, Ray Ferraro, Daruis Kasper, Malkov, and so forth...

They only remember from 1998 to present reason for the negatively .

Your right even main hit to the finals won't satisfy this group. I just want to make the playoffs consistently and see what happens.

vegasvlo
vegasvlo

Lets go Islanders!!!!!!!!! Lets go Islanders

willymayshays
willymayshays

Just like I said rm, the hockey welfare system is going broke because of iniquitous maneuvering from teams like the Islanders.  Losing will not be supported as greatly, Thanks Wang for the increased rigidity of the NHL.  It's the crooks , not the institutions, that create the laws.


I just told you yesterday rm, and you'll still tell me I'm wrong.

You'll tell me Wang loves the Islanders, yet he "regrets" buying the team.  

You tell me Wang will not sell I tell you he will

You tell me Halek will not be signed before the new cap ceiling is written in stone... signed the next day like I predicted.

To top it off, you love that the Islanders are going the greedy route, (like all sports these days) and it's GREAT.  But your leaving New York because of what greed and corruption has done to your neighborhood....

rm, you are all agenda all the time

Steven Cook
Steven Cook

You people are never happy. If and when the Isles raise that 5th banner to the rafters of Barclay's most people will still have something to complain about. 

mrcisback
mrcisback

   Maybe these new owners can eventually build us a new Hockey arena instead of a basketball arena converted into playing hockey 40 times a year.

tpjm
tpjm

@puckznpadz Nothing was signed with Barroway.  It's just a formality and the sale to Malkin/Ledecky will go through.

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@David Di Gesu i agree with all your points except the 1 line scoring. Franzy had an awesome year last year and when the AHL was together they were scoring like mad. The problem was even when they put up 3 goals they were letting up 4. I dont think scoring has been an issue for this team its really just the defensive side

puckznpadz
puckznpadz

@phishstyx1 their web master is probably cutting lawns to make money to survive and have not had a chance to change it.

dkdk
dkdk

David one point here that is often overlooked when talking prices .... Parking is $12 per car. One person or 8 it is $12. A round trip ticket on the LIRR will be 20-30 per person. Huge difference. Maybe you are a 20 year old single guy that only has to cover yourself, but the majority of us are married with kids so it is time to extrapolate the LIRR tickets prices across multiple people.

Also in this economy it is kind of ballsy to walk in other people's wallets and make general statements that anyone can afford anything.

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@Robert Konigsberg we traded this years draft pick because we plan on being in the playoffs. not a bottom feeder with a top 5 pick

elephant
elephant

@David Di Gesu Can't agree more.  It's very unfortunate that the Islanders won't be in Nassau, the traditional location that they have always been in, but they are still going to be in King's County on LONG ISLAND.  

A trip on the LIRR should not be an issue for a true fan.  For the 250,000 from Nassau and Suffolk who commute into Manhattan, the move to Barclays will make going to weekday games EASIER!  And I'm sure true fans can handle an LIRR ride with some friends and/or family on the weekends...

doc942
doc942

@David Di Gesu So the moves that brought Tavares, Grabner, Nelson, Strome, Reinhart, Okposo, Nielsen, Hamonic, de Haan, Cizikas etc. don't count?  Only the moves from this offseason count?  Isn't accumulation of  those foundation pieces over time, necessary to building a winner? I know it was a painful process, but if Wang gets destroyed for the lack of success from 2006 through 2013, but is also in charge for when those players are now successful (hopefully), doesn't that mean that those moves in 2007, 08, 09, 10, 11, 12 and 13 were good moves and part of the process?

Logan Monstuart
Logan Monstuart

@David Di Gesu Hard to imagine now that that 90's team had three 40-goal scorers, King, Turgeon and Ferraro, and two 30-goal scorers, Benoit Hogue and Steve Thomas, who netted four (against Buffalo?) the final game of the season.

Benoit Hogue.... Montreal, second game of the conference finals. Hogue breaks in alone on Roy late in the third period of a tie game. Shoots wide. Had Hogue scored there, Isles would have returned home at 1-1, not down 2-0, I truly believe they would have won that series, then beaten the Kings. Had Hogue scored there....


shamwow
shamwow

@David Di Gesu

David, you're in many ways correct - I was a kid, and then a young man, during the Team's meteoric rise and ultimate reign of glory... I was at the Garden that night in '75 when, in only their third year of existence, the Isles ousted the Rags from the Playoffs... JP Parisi from Jude Druin at .11 seconds of Overtime


I was at every Cup victory game - and managed getting into the locker room area (a buddy had a then rare to the consumer market shoulder held video camera - security thought we were Press credentialed!) following Bobby Ny's goal for the ages...


I was one of about only 50 fans who showed at La Guardia at 6:30 in the morning to welcome them back from Vancouver following their 3rd championship... The players meandering off the chartered jet in various stages of inebriation, onto the tarmac... Fans and players alike serenading each other with, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye, as an obviously drunk Clark Gilles climbed the 20 ft fence separately the waiting area...


While the Franchise was never really on sound financial footing, even back then - Roy Boe (1st team owner) got himself into some hot water for diverting money from his other sport holdings (he also owned the NY Nets, before they were the NJ Nets and now the Brooklyn Nets - no small irony the Isles reuniting with them at Barclays) in order to meet Islanders payroll...


And through it all, through the haplessness of their initial seasons, where they endeared themselves to suburbia, and to a 10 year-old City kid from Forest Hills, Queens like me, and then onto true greatness, all they ever did was win. And win. And win...


There was no talk of 4 billion dollar boondoggle development deals...


No 77 acre land schemes...


No accounting irregularities and Securities fraud investigations...


No Chuck Wang. No Sanjay Kumar...


No Summo wrestlers in goal...


No 35 day GMs. No management by committee. No backup goalies ushered into the executive suites with their skates still on...


Ahh... It was a simpler time; perhaps even an innocent time, back then at the beginning of it all...


I'll miss that Center Ice at NVMC where Islander legends skated to the pinnacle and strode astride that mountaintop for what seemed forever...


Those Boys of Winter are much older now, as am I, and lives move on in ways unforseen...


But I was there. I lived it all. And the sweet sweet fragrance lingers on.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@willy: I took the time to again read your post from 24 hours ago. You don't disagree with my point about catering to the top 10%, with 7@% of the money. You don't disagree at all.

Your just not happy with the direction pro sports is headed. Lotsa unhappiness at nights out, and yuppies. I happen to agree 100% with your rant. It Is all distraction from the game.

But that is the direction it has taken. So be angry with it, hate the beer, the lobster, the silliness. But it isn't going away. Your wrong to think otherwise, but post away and prove my point. Catering to the over priced, over the top, ruthless business yuppies dominate the thinking at sports arena today. If you want to be more then a payroll floor team, embrace the yuppie. If you want to park at NCC, eat peanuts and skip the beers, you might not find refuge at the new NVMC because...

The guys running the new NVMC just booted "Legends" catering because it was too boring. Legends are the guys who do food at Yankee stadium. It was reported in New$day about 2 days ago. The good old days are behind us, learn to adjust to current thinking on food and beverage. Current thinking may not be better thinking, but it is current.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@willymayshays I have never seen somebody fire so many rounds, and  completely miss the target. 

lets try again, shall we:


"You'll tell me Wang loves the Islanders, yet he "regrets" buying the team."

um, he loves owning the team, but it was for 14 years a HORRIBLE investment. Kinda like a first girlfriend. If you can't figure that difference, I can't help you.


"You tell me Wang will not sell I tell you he will"

4 months ago, for $190 million dollars, no he wouldn't sell. 

For more then $375 million, well that is a different number entirely. Now for $500 million. when something is worth $190 million, and you get offered $500+ million, you sell. post where you wrote Wang was gonna get 2 or 3 times the value of the franchise. heck, post the whole exchange. looking forward to it..


"You tell me Halek will not be signed before the new cap ceiling is written in stone... signed the next day like I predicted."


You should revisit that point. You were crying cause Halek wasn't a UFA, and Snow didn't know what he was doing trading away picks for a guy who wasn't a free agent. Go ahead, look it up and post it.. Don't forget to add the numbers people were posting for his contract and length, and the actual contract and length (SNOW stole him compared to what was being written here )I need the laugh. 

post it up kid. you got the goods, then show them off..


"To top it off, you love that the Islanders are going the greedy route, (like all sports these days) and it's GREAT. "


I dare you to post that exchange too..All sports are catering to the top10% that control 70% of the wealth. You parking at NCC to avoid the parking fee, eating your peanuts and leaving is a losing prop for ownership. Better for them if you sat home and watch center ice. The want big money to eat lobster, drink craft beer, and buy expensive desserts.


go ahead and post that exchange too. It is all right there willy- post it.. come on, post your "goods".. Show everybody how right you are kid. I call your bluff..


see willy, it is called put up, and shut up it time. go ahead, and make me look foolish. I welcome the challenge.  Please include where you didn't know Halak was a UFA, while crying tears over a fourth rd draft pick.. add the part where it was Snow playing media games.. that is my favorite part.


I am pro ownership, and the rebuild. Always have been.


You don't understand economics of modern sports, nor do you understand a UFA vs RFA free agent. 

fire away kid, post the exchanges. I have nothing to fear, except breaking a rib laughing at you..

camb33
camb33

@Steven Cook  You wanna make me happy, you can keep your banner, just show me some competative hockey

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@Steven Cook yup. We get new ownership everyone complains. We don't get new ownership everyone complains. 

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@mrc- you think the first thing the new owners will do is break the lease the team just signed? Why bother buying the team if you don't like the lease?

Why bother with such a massive overpay?

I am hoping there are many more then 40 home games. I am hoping for home games in JUNE!

Come on man, be optimistic.

Best group of forwards in 14 years. Best goalie in 14 years(well Ozzie was the man), and the blue line is filled with young guys and upside. No Staios, no Jurcina, maybe not even Carkner. Guys hanging around trying to extend their NHL careers, all gone..

Hockey in June!

tag1
tag1

@mrcisback 100 % correct mrc it's a joke that they will be playing NHL hockey in a basketball gym and we have Bobby Ny on our side when it comes to this.

hockeyfn91
hockeyfn91

@mrcisback My Goodness.. when are you people going to stop whining. Have you ever been to the Barclay;s Center? If the answer is no.. do yourself a favor and check the place out before you condemn it. 


I am no fan of the way Wang has run the Islanders... but he was left with two options... 1 - Move to Barclay's... 2 - Sell or Move the team to KC, Quebec, or Seattle. 


No one says they did not want to see them stay in Nassau.. but Wang had no options. 


I choose option 1. 

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@dkdk... Hysterical statement when you write about walking into other peoples wallets- then complain about ownership refusal to lose big money year over year.

Now with enhanced revenue sharing and Brooklyn over the horizon, spending has gone up...

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

Doc942 - those players mention are a good foundation for success , but Wang never surrounded those players with NHL Caliber good players in the league already.

Instead they signed washed up veterans on the cheap. Finally after 10 yrs under wang he wakes up.

Don't talk about wang losing money. Yah might have been losing a few mill a year but not the 19 mill he says.

From the 15-20 mill he gets from the cablevision deal to televise games to....

Coming up with and marketing his video/graphic technology that the league uses today.

He lies and is a weasel.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@doc: yep.. His man Snow made the personal moves both good and bad. So when things are bad, Snow and Wang get the grief. If things go well with these players on the roster, wang and Snow will get the credit.

Of course some will object to that because they believe Wang and Snow are pure evil.. Heck some claim they are "criminal sociopaths". I guess using big words improperly makes them feel smart...

shamwow
shamwow

@doc942 @David Di Gesu

No, Doc, no credit is deserved...


What Chuck Wang is richly deserving of however, besides serving 10 to 20 at a medium security federal penitentiary for securities fraud, is full credit for purchasing a storied NHL Franchise and spending the better part of a decade leveraging that Team and its loyal following in failed attempt at a 77 acre land scheme...


That, and losing hockey games.


What Chuck and his cartoon-like buffoonish GM might prove is, if you remain at the bottom, unmoved, long enough, and the world keeps spinning, you could one day, with some dumb luck, wake up and find yourself on top of things...


You call it a rebuild. I call it inertia.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@Logan Monstuart Dale Hunter changed the course of that series, maybe even the franchise. 


I think they win with Sneaky Pete dressing for that series. Even if they go 6 or 7 games and fail, that makes it difficult to move Pete...





bobbyclark
bobbyclark

@shamwow @David Di Gesu Those were the days. I remember going to games with my uncle. I still have the 1972 years book! I am glad the Islanders are staying in NY what with all the rumors of relocation but saddened that they will no longer be in the NVMC. I was a kid back then I still remember crying when they lost in the finals for the "Drive for Five". But this is a time for celebration being Wang will be gone. A fellow fan mentioned that Wang should at least get credit for the draft picks but I think not. The credit should go to the scouts especially for lower picks that turned out being successful. Wang has destroyed a once proud organization. Look what he did to Lafontaine, as you walk around NVMC not one number sixteen dedication is there because he stood up to him. I know Snow screwed up this season and that falls directly on his lap but other issues I think his hands were tied. But as fans lets rejoice that Wang will be gone for good in two years.

bammer26
bammer26

@shamwow- Good post Sham, as usual great memories. I made the last cup VS. the Oilers for game 3, but must say that my best memorable game was game five vs. The Rags when Kenny "wolfman" Morrow buried the biscuit off the right face off circle. The Coli was crazy, and back then, not many Blueshirt fans in the stands.


The Tomas Jonsson goal that put the Isles up 2-1 was rafter shaking. High slot pass from Duanne Sutter, and TJ had time to walk in, head up, and that gave time for the crowd to rise as ONE and explode. Jethro in front of Hanlon was a huge screen for the wrister that beat GH.


The sweet fragrance lives on bud, all the best.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@jason: they will adjust to the demands and objectives of the new ownership, or they will fired and replaced. There won't be a long adjustment period- do or be gone...

Hopefully revenues for the Franchise will be strong enough to be a cap ceiling team, while earning the new ownership a happy return on their investment. If things go right, new ownership will have deep enough pockets to green light a late season trade that brings the player that results in a Cup parade for the Islanders.

Hopefully new ownership isn't purely about the buck, runs the Franchise at a certain operations budget, to make certain a fat return. Imagine if new ownership had a stated goal of "clearing $50 million a year in profit", so if necessary cut payroll to reach that objective.

That would be a nightmare.

None of us know what they will do..

This is the Islanders, so the likely outcome is the best case scenario... Or not...

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@Jason Zimmermann @Steven Cook Yea new ownership may not work out i dont think anyone is thinking were going to win a stanley cup immediately. Just bothers me that all over these blogs the past years you see people calling for wangs head. And when it finally happens they complain about it.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 Yeah- Nystrom is on your side. If ever there was a peg to hang your hat on concerning a business dealing, it is the opinion of Nystrom.


mrcisback
mrcisback

@tag1 Exactly Tag. Of coarse i'll take the Islanders playing in a basketball arena rather then losing the team completely but i'm not happy about it. The Islanders will be the only hockey team in the NHL after Arizona builds the coyotes a new arena playing on a horse shoe type arena.

tag1
tag1

@hockeyfn91 "but he was left with two options... 1 - Move to Barclay's... 2 - Sell or Move the team to KC, Quebec, or Seattle. "

WRONG Option #3 build a scaled down LHP instead of telling the TOH "take it or leave it" IT WAS TOO BIG. 

bammer26
bammer26

@shamwow- Wang has been doing business like this for quite some time Sham, as you are well aware of. CA, The Islanders, Smile Train, Sanjay, his close fried taking one in the chest...opps, sorry never Indited or brought to justice. He MUST be inno....

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 Nystrom did more for this organization in 1 afternoon than that POS wang has done in 14 years, yeah I'd rather be on the side of Bobby Ny than wang.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@mrcisback @tag1 not to defend BC because i would much rather they stay in nassau as well, but have you been to BC? i havent for hockey, but i have for other events and the place is amazing.  im not sure what type of renovations theyll be able to make there to make it better suited for hockey, but if they can make it work, its a great arena.  just not at the best location for us. last i heard though, they didnt have hockey locker rooms yet..

tag1
tag1

@steve davis  my name isn't guy, and no, that isn't all that matters.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 or 4: "If that is how you want me to spend my money, I understand ToH.  I choose not to spend it. Once my lease is up, which I honored, I choose to leave."


Somehow that makes him the bad guy..




shamwow
shamwow

@bammer26 @shamwow

Bammer, Chuck's reputation is widely known in New York business/financial circles, most especially on Long Island...


For many, the name Wang is anathema.


He's simply a dirty businessman; sordid dealings punctuating his regrettable history.


But he singlehandedly "saved" the Franchise, don't you know? 


And with saviors like Chuck, I'd prefer wandering alone in the wilderness.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 POS insult to Wang aside- Clearly an ice hockey player is the guy you want calling business shots.

But lets get a greater islander then Nystrom- lets get Trotts.

Now there is a guy, who did even more the Nystrom for the Isles, so clearly must have an even stronger business sense..


Or are we done linking ice hockey greatness with business decision making for today.


just hurry up with your next informed cutting response. I got a beach volleyball game to attend. I have to leave early, but it isn't because of possible traffic issues. Those won't come until the Lighthouse project is built..

tag1
tag1

@slapshot18_rs @mrcisback @tag1 They (the Barclay's crew) said they were making no renovations for hockey and my friend was there a couple of times and he said it's cramped and he doesn't see how hockey is going to work there because not only do you have the obstructed seats but also you have plenty of seats that are on a bad angle to watch hockey.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@slapshot18_rs @mrcisback @tag1 I've also been to BC. It is very, very nice but its not built for hockey. When they were building the BC they asked Wang if he would move the islanders there and then they would then build it for both hockey and basketball. He said no and they build it for just basketball. When they remove the 2,000 seats for hockey games the center ice scoreboard won't even be lined up at center ice. It will also be the smallest hockey arena in the NHL.

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned  make sure you bring the metal detector so you can look for DP's Gold medal

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case) Hey, now we are cooking. Now that clearly has something to do with building houses, owning vs leasing, zoning laws, and your desire to call me nut job. 

I'm glad I am not a bootlicker today- i figure you assigned that job to somebody else who dared to disagree with your misinformed opinion and examples?

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@mrcisback @tag1 i never undestood why BC crew wouldnt just make it a multi purpose arena for the sake of having a versatile arena.  why limit the functionality when you have the chance not to? i guess $$

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@tag1 @steve davis No but thats where they were going i could care less if they were a hockey market. The county got the vote. they voted no. SO Wang kept them close. Big deal get over it already

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 Just goes to show what a know nothing you are, that comment was priceless, and so was your followup that you just got the color of his medal wrong. What color medal do you get for coming in 8th Place in the Olympics nutjob?

mrcisback
mrcisback

@slapshot18_rs @mrcisback @tag1 Slapshot that thought crossed my mind when they started the project. Say the Rangers were having major renovations being done at MSG and couldn't play there for two years at least they would have another place to play.  

tag1
tag1

@steve davis  If it's not a hockey market why would they move there? If wang wasn't greedy he would have built a scaled down LHP instead of moving them into a basketball gym in bklyn.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case)..Yep, that has a lot to do with your Wang owing, then bringing in zoning.

Your way off topic tag1(lower case). When you get to making bad examples, i will return.

Enjoy your evening..

tag1
tag1

@mrcisback @tag1 @slapshot18_rs Remember Tampa played in the baseball stadium when they came in the league, we are a historic franchise and we are going backwards moving into a building not suitable for NHL hockey viewing.

tag1
tag1

@mrcisback How about college hockey? Minor league hockey? It was just plain dumb and it showed what the people who built that building really think of hockey.

Steven Cook
Steven Cook

@tag1  Why would Wang build a scaled down LHP if it wouldn't be profitable for him and his investors?  At the end of the day, he is a businessman and he is better at being a businessman than anyone posting on this or any blog site.  Would you invest in something that wasn't going to be profitable?

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@tag1 what are you talking about scaled down ? Why would you build another crappy stadium where one already exists? Kulemin and Grabovski said a big reason they signed here WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE MOVING... You think they wanna come to a nice little scaled down arena?

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 I don't blame you I'd be embarrased if I had posted what you posted. Don't forget your meds before you go.

tag1
tag1

@Steven Cook @tag1 So the Red Wings can build a NEW arena and development for a lot less than  1 billion and make money but wang needed a 4 billion dollar project to get by, sorry not buying it.

tag1
tag1

@steve davis @tag1 Scaled down project you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Do you realize wang's 4 billion dollar LHP called for a refurbished arena. Do you realize they scaled down the development part of the project not the arena. He could have built a refurbished arena with a scaled down development around it but chose not to.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case)

thats it? I was hoping you'd wax poetic on owning a house compared to Wang leasing space in a 40 year old NVMC.

Maybe read your involving the Missouri protesters into it again, although i don't see how they fit the first time.

Maybe you could bring in the need for support from great Islanders like Nystrom, heck even Trotts. I love reading how their on ICE talents are vital in complex business transactions.. Esp Trotts- the man was a wizard with a dollar. ( sorry Trotts, but a fact is a fact)..

wax poetic kid, I need the laughs.. 

tag1
tag1

@Logan Monstuart   Cow Palace was the Sharks, the Flames played in the Stampede before they moved to the Saddledome but these were all TEMPORARY homes for these teams, the Isles are signed up for 25 YEARS in barclays.

Steven Cook
Steven Cook

@tag1  Detroit is a major city.  The Coliseum is on the border of Hempstead.  Huge difference.  And the project in Detroit will cost way more than $1 billion. 

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@tag1 @Steven Cook I think people actually go to red wings games. They actually have made the playoffs for 2 decades in a row Islanders havent won a playoff series since 93

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned  I love reading how DP was on the 1980 Olympic team, do tell us about that again Einstein.

tag1
tag1

@Steven Cook


"The Detroit Free Press appears to have a big exclusive pertaining to the Detroit Red Wings that's so big the newspaper teased it a day early.

It is expected to unveil Sunday plans for the new $650 million Red Wings arena and adjacent entertainment district that will eventually replace Joe Louis Arena, the team's current home."

Really you people make it too easy for me.

tag1
tag1

@steve davis  been a fan since the mid 1970's this team is bigger than wang, it's like saying if I'm not happy about how things are going in this country I should move instead of letting my feelings known, it's a dumb argument on your part.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case) I love reading your comments concerning the subject at hand, combined with your desperate attempts to change focus and lob silly little insults..

Steven Cook
Steven Cook

@tag1 I guarantee it will be more than $650 million.  It cost most cities that much just to build the arena alone, much less an entire neighborhood with 2000 housing units, businesses, restaurants, roads and infrastructure.

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@tag1 @Steven Cook well i cant help you believe the fact that no one would want to invest in a crumby team to stay here. So this is argument is now pointless. Yea its wangs fault Isles moved sorry. Even though he wanted to finance the whole thing himself and nassau county politics the circus that it is had nothing to do with that right? Nice talkin to you

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@tag1 @Islesfan74 @Steven Cook WOuld you rather invest in a crappy team or a winning team? yea its obvsiously wangs fault for a crumby team its not his fault people make smart business decisions.

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned  and I love reading somebody who tries to come off smarter than they really are. Do you plan on using 1 b the next time you're b(b)anned?

tag1
tag1

@Steven Cook  and the LHP considering it would have taken almost 10 years to build would have cost more than 4 billion, I'm just using the numbers that were given to us.

tag1
tag1

@Islesfan74  Just because I'm paying to build a extension on my house doesn't mean I can build whatever I want. So wang was paying for it he still can't build whatever he wants.

The politicians from that area were elected to represent the people of that area and the majority of the people felt that the project was too big do you really think that if the people who live there wanted the 4 billion dollar project the politicians would have cut the size of it? 



rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 " Just because I'm paying to build a extension on my house doesn't mean I can build whatever I want. So wang was paying for it he still can't build whatever he wants.


look at tag1(lower case) putting 1/2 of it together. come on, finish the walk. He cant built what he wants, then he doesn't have to build at all. 


come on, take that last step and walk into the world of understanding.



Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@tag1 @Islesfan74 well too bad you werent there to advise wang since you apparently have all the answers. In fact you make so many good points and make it sound so easy that ITS NOT ACTUALLY HAPPENING. So just on that alone your wrong. Its not that simple. They are moving buh bye!

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned look at the nutjob who keeps on posting that wang should have been able to build a 4 billion dollar mini city and yet posts that he is leaving NY because it's too "congested". So wangs project wouldn't add to the congestion? The master of contradictions.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case). Nut job insult aside. So why counter the point, when you can switch to traffic congestion..


Traffic congestion? That is the big counter.

hey everybody, lets sweat traffic congestion on Long Island.. tag1(lower case) since there is so little here on Long Island, show us some examples of traffic congestion..

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@tag1 @Islesfan74 I actually work for mr.wang and i do live here. He has all of his offices right on the island. He would of kept them here if he could have.

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 "congested" means there are too many people nutjob, you said you are leaving because NY is too "congested" and yet you back wang's 4 billion dollar mini city to add to the "congestion". You make no sense as usual.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 Hey, you read my posts, thanks for following. Um, Nutjob insult aside. Yep, I am leaving because of the current traffic issues( among others) that currently cause me grief in NY>

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 You followed me on here, once again you are in familiar territory, being wrong. Don't you get tired of being slapped around?

tag1
tag1

@Islesfan74  run along go shine wang's shoes.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case) nah, i just like pointing out that despite your numerous posts, your examples are poor, your knowledge is worse, and your the funniest of self proclaimed Republicans.

A champion of government telling you what to build, when it is your money paying for the building.

Love to stay, gotta play volleyball. Hey, toss in a few " gold medal " comments, a Winchester, and maybe even another nut job. Then get back to owning vs zoning when Wang was leasing.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case)

Don't walk down the family road kid, that is a worse place to travel. try to stay on point..


that point wasn't your ill advised trip towards the missouri protests. It was Wang, leasing, building and zoning..


tag- you've hit bottom again. stop digging

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned  maybe I'm getting closer, are you a relative?

elephant
elephant

@tag1 Interesting, passionate conversation, but that comment about protesters in Missouri is pretty distasteful and really does not belong on this blog...

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1( lower case) Hiya tag..hey, protesters in Missouri  and Wang refusing to build what ToH wanted.  that is some stretch there kid..

Why do you always push the people you dislike, into minority groups?

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 (lower case)..the only thing your getting closer to is getting banned again..


Please move away from Missouri, family, and sexism as topics of discussion on this site.


tag- when somebody you dislike is making a mistake- don't interrupt them..


you keep rolling, i just keep shaking my head..

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@elephant No elephant, it does not. Why tag1 went there is his business.  But it is clearly offensive. sadly, that is " the real world" for tag1.

Just not the rest of us..

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned 

"Why do you always push the people you dislike, into minority groups?"

going to play the race card again? Plenty of white anarchists out there protesting, so what do you mean, I see a mixed crowd, obviously you don't.

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 did you find the Gold medal this time? If I get banned it will be my first, for you, not so.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1  Wow tag1(lower case)


nice try, i am just calling BS on your comment, and inclusion of that event into an exchange concerning building and zoning. 


But I completely understand your desire to distance yourself from even mentioning it..

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 You have been banned before tag. your comments and mine were removed about 5 days ago. We were both banned. all you need is a new email account, and you can play the game. 


If that is your big shot at me, i suggest you go count seats in Brooklyn, and tell us all about limited sight lines. I will spend my time looking at learning how Wang sold a $190 million franchise for $500 million, while keeping a piece for himself.


I admire success, and try to learn from it.

You chose another path..

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 (lower case)" if not being associated with those comments makes me a drama queen, then fluff my dress you bigot..

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 and I'm pointing out how you feel that rules and regs don't mean anything so maybe you should go join the crew that believes what you do.

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 I wasn't banned and I never changed my name and anyone with a half a brain can go back and check. You on the other hand have changed your name on here more than once.


The Clippers sale that's how wang got that price it's only a mystery to someone like you I guess,  and i think Steinbrenner bought the Yanks for $3 million and their worth over 2 Billion that's even more impressive.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 no, your not. Your making racist innuendo's that have no point concerning an exchange on building, leasing and zoning at NVMC.


I will be back tomorrow. because I am embarrassed for you, there is no gain in pointing out how poor your comment really is on this site. I refuse to walk this path.



Elephant, well written. Kudos to you for providing a smart perspective..

shamwow
shamwow

@tag1

Nothing "brilliant" at all regarding the 500M sale... The old fraudster just waited out the market...


Compare the Dow at the bottom of the downturn to today's valuation...


All my commercial real estate holdings, on both coasts, exceed pre-recession peak - hey, RM, I'm looking for someone to scrub office building toilets when Chuck is done with you.


Corporate America is awash in cash that's seeking a return...


Some guys buy trophy wives, others wanna buy a trophy named Stanley.


And if the new guys enjoy rubbing shoulders with famous athletes, and truly love the game of hockey (unlike Chuck Wang who admitted never attending a hockey game in his life prior to owning the Isles) instead of just wanting to erect a 4 billion dollar Tower of Babel in Uniondale, then the Franchise will thrive, albeit in downtown Brooklyn.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 here we were writing about zoning, leasing and rebuilding.. then you went all Missouri..

just leave the point behind, and return to Nassau county..

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@shamwow: yeah that is it. He just waited out the market for 14 years. Then his Franchise was appraised at $190 million, but was sold for $500 million 4 months after the appraisal.

The secret, rich guys want to rub shoulders with pro hockey players.. So they spend $500 million..

Next time, try writing that Wang used "magic beans" he stole from a kid named Jack, who worked at Smile Train..

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 you like playing the race card, you know what happens when you cry wolf too much? 


you obviously feel that rich people like wang don't have to follow the same rules the rest of us peasants do. Thankfully the government doesn't feel the same way you do.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 please move on from using race as a topic of discussion here.


as to your change of subject. Concerning zoning, NVMC and Wang. 


Wang is governed by the same rules as everybody else. He decided to honor his lease at NVMC in full, decided he didn't want to build what ToH desired, and moved to a new location in Brooklyn.


Your unhappy because he followed the laws,exercised his freedom of choice, honored his lease, picked up his team and moved to Brooklyn. 


Now he sold a team valued at $190 million 4 months ago, for $500 million, gets to keep a piece of the Franchise. He got his cake, and ate it too. It cost you nothing because you didn't buy the team. His success cost you nothing, but your bitter anyway..

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned  you used race not me, I think I might know a little more about protesters than you do and what makes them tick.


wang stepped in you know what when the Clippers were sold for 2 billion, he got very lucky and i posted when that sale was announced that wang was going to try and take advantage of it. Sorry for being right again.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 Please stop discussing race on this site. Aside from the NY Islanders, your cares and concerning are nothing too me.


Why is it always luck when somebody not you, has success?

How about hanging in there for 14 years despite massive losses. How about taking the long, hard road towards drafting, developing, and extending talented home grown players. How about walking away from Nassau county- with a rebuilding Franchise, and signing a Brilliant lease in Brooklyn when he should have zero leverage in those talks.


yeah, it was all luck. Bailey promoted too soon, Nino the same- then concussed, then grows an attitude. Then Nabby plays terrible in the playoffs. He gets hurt, or plays worse the next season whileJT gets hurt, Vanak doesn't resign. He late signs for #30 million less in wit hthe Wild.. All luck, some of it not good.


In the end, he gets $500 million for a team you love to write" hasn't won a playoff series in 14 years." That ain't luck, that is brilliant business.

in a word- recognize-...

tag1
tag1

@rmbbanned @tag1 obviously you know nothing about professional agitators who travel the county just to start trouble and go to riots, try to learn for once mr know it all and stop bringing the race card up all the time it's getting tiring.


If you think wang gets anywhere near $500 million for the Isles without that Clippers sale you are really kidding yourself.


As a FAN 14 years under wang in a league where 16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs and we have ZERO playoff series wins is pathetic.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1(lower case): once again, stay away from Missouri. Race relations have nothing to do with the NY Islanders.

Nobody cares how Wang got his price, he got his money. If this tea wins the Cup, nobody will care how the owners made their money. Case in point, nobody likes Cablevision. But if the Rangers won the Cup, a million people wouldn't care how Dolan won his money, just that the Rangers won.

Get over the Missouri race stuff, get over how Wang got $500 million. He got that price, and tip your cap. Respect success, even if it is from a guy you despise. Maybe even try to learn how he did it, and use those lessons in your own life. Guys who come over with nothing, and make themselves into billionaires are remarkable people. If it was easy, why ain't you one? Why ain't we all one?

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

@rmbbanned Dont bother talking to this guy. He is waste of time and is bored so he fights with people on an islander blog.

Islesfan74
Islesfan74

by this guy I meant tag1 not you rm