Ducks 5, Islanders 3: Isles Blow Another Third Period Lead in Loss to Ducks

Christian Arnold, Islanders Point Blank:

UNIONDALE, N.Y. — It was the same story, different night for the Islanders.

The Islanders squandered a two goal lead in the third period and fell to the Anaheim Ducks 5-3 at Nassau Coliseum. Kyle Palmieri, born on Long Island and raised in New Jersey, scored the game-winner at 13:44 of the third. The Ducks won the offensive draw and Palmieri took the puck to the net and put it past Nabokov. Ryan Getzlaf scored the empty net goal — his third of the game —  in the final minute to secure the Ducks win.

It was the tenth time the Islanders have blown a lead this season.

“I think again tonight we saw again why where we are exactly in the standings,” Thomas Vanek said. “It’s a great team over there. We got a two goal lead with 20 minutes to go and gave it up. I think right now we’re not closing games and it’s costing us points.”

The contest started off promising for the Islanders. Thomas Vanek scored a rebound goal to put the Islanders in front 1-0 midway through the first, but Getzlaf tied the game up on his first of the night late in the second period. Nearly two minutes later, after killing a Ducks penalty, Vanek fired a laser past Anaheim starter Frederik Andersen.

Frans Nielsen scored 57 seconds later to make it 3-1 Islanders. The goal was the first time a Danish forward has scored on fellow Dane.

But that was not enough to hold off Anaheim. Getzlaf scored his second goal of the night 1:10 into the third period and Mathieu Perreault scored the tying goal at 10: 32. Palmieri’s game winner came three minutes and 12 seconds later. Getzlaf rounded out the score with his empty net goal at 19:38.

“This is why we’re digging ourselves a big whole,” John Tavares said. “We’re not executing in the third period, closing out games and making it hard for other teams. We have to do a better job in a lot of areas, especially in our defensive zone and in our coverage.”

The third period has not been the Islanders friend this season. Hanging onto leads in that period has been a task that has eluded the Islanders for a better part of this season. The Isles did have several scoring opportunities, including a chance redirection chance for Tavares that if it had gone in would have put the Islanders back in front by two goals.

The Islanders were not aided by the officials in the third either. Vanek even contended that the team got too wrapped up on the non-calls by the officials.

“I think we focus sometimes on the wrong things,” he said. “Two of the goals came off face-offs were both icing calls, which i don’t think were icings. But again we tend to focus on the bad stuff instead of regrouping and getting the puck out.”

Islander Head Coach Jack Capuano told reporters after the game that his team has to be able to move past officiating mistakes.

“So be it, you have to channel your energy to get ready for your next shift,” Capuano said. “You can’t get caught up in all the emotion on the officials. They’re doing the best job they can. They’re going to make mistakes.”

Capuano said the Islanders did not have the battle level they needed to have when the Ducks scored in the third.

“I know the battle level on the goals that were scored and we didn’t move the puck the way that we should have,” he said. “And thats a problem because that’s not the style that we want to play.




164 comments
snowmustgo
snowmustgo

I was savoring the 24-hours of positivity following Friday night's win....then this debacle.


Now back to our regular scheduled programming of living vicariously through the rest of the NHL.


MysteryMachine
MysteryMachine

To say the Islanders defense is mediocre is too kind.  It flat out stinks.  When are the Isles going to realize AMac is a little b!atch out there?  The Ducks walked around the Islander defense so often it was almost assumed they were going to blow the game.

The Islanders toughness is a complete joke.  Fistric punished the Isles two weeks ago and he did it again tonight.  They wait until there's 7 seconds left in the game to challenge him?  All bark and no bite to this team.  To think the Isles could have drafted Getzlaf with the 15th pick in the 2003 draft (I remember a couple of friends and I at the draft party that year screaming for the Isles to pick him for his size alone) but instead they chose Robert Nilsson, a 5'11" 180 lb. smurf who sucked since day one.

And another loss against a backup goalie plus no Penner or Selanne.  This team is so fragile they should cancel the rest of the season.

I know the rosters are frozen for another week or so but this lineup needed change a long time ago.  Bailey, even with his two assists in the past two games, is still invisible and terrified of any contact.  Brock Nelson is invisible out there.  Garth Snow supposedly took responsibility for this disaster of a team a few weeks ago but what exactly does "responsibility" look like here?  No roster changes aside from Strome called up and no coaching change. Taking responsibility for this mess means he should step down as GM and let someone qualified take over (I know ... it'll never happen with Wang at the top of pyramid).

And to think there are fans here who still believe Wang & Snow are not culpable in all this and who will bash Vanek for not re-signing here after the season is over because he's selfish or something ridiculous like that.

Had to get out my frustration with this club.  Thanks for reading ... end of rant..

MysteryMachine
MysteryMachine

The moderation on this new format stinks.  They hold back comments and never bother to post them - and there's no foul language or personal attacks in there.  Wake up SNY!!

TonyM
TonyM

All of the Islanders top prospects not with the team are defensemen. Trading for a defensemen that would make a difference at this point doesn't make sense. The number one priority of this team should be to acquire #1 goaltender who we can  build a defense around. Actually the #1 priority would be to get a real coach and GM but with Wang that ain't gonna happen! Even in the weak eastern conference the chances of the Isles making a playoff run are slim at best. Vanek and AMAC should be moved as soon as possible. Bring up Donovan, Mayfield and Lee and let them gain experience at the NHL level. 

Vanek is a superior player compared to Moulson  but he doesn't have the same chemistry  with JT that Moulson did. I doubt very much that he would consider resigning with the Isles even if they were willing to pay him (which is questionable) that 's why I would try to move him now. It's hard to compete on nightly basis when your team has mediocre goaltending, a small porous defense, a good 1st line no second line and two fourth lines!

Jersey Steve
Jersey Steve

We can start playing a shots game with the Cappy post-game interview.....everytime he says 'battle level' you take a shot.  It'll help ease the pain.

Chris Oddo
Chris Oddo

We are not as big, strong or fast as other teams, so they crush us in the third. It's not choking it's a lack of talent. Teams want to sleep walk past us, and even if they don't they know they can always just turn it up and deliver the goods at crunch time. 


Overall I don't blame the team. The personnel isn't there. Yes, Cappy could probably help if he knew what he was doing, but Anaheim is a beastly team. Give them 10 third period deficits against NYI and they'll probably overcome 9 of them. 

frankjb
frankjb

Right now the Nielsen line is a defensive liability,on the icing call and the goal after that their blown coverage and lack of effort resulted in the goals right now they cant be counted on for good defense. Nielsen is good but Bailey has to go and Macdonald has to go. They are both not getting it done!

mrcisback
mrcisback

     It would be nice if Snow would sit down with Howie and Butch before a game and give us Islander fans an update on what his plans are to improve the team This guy is really starting to burn me up. What are his plans moving forward. Did he make an offer to Vanek yet. Is he looking around the league for some possible deals to improve the team. What about the goaltending situation moving forward. How are some of the prospects in the organization doing. I can think of a million questions to ask this guy. Snow is like the invisible man. Even Sandy Alderson came on with the Met announcers during the season and faced the music. For crying out loud Snow give less interviews than Obama does.

gordlane
gordlane

RM returns is on vacation, drinking rum, enjoying the warm weather in Florida, yet still has the time and need to post??




rob
rob

i have a feeling the snow wang show is about to end. new owner new "real" front office. Mr. Ratner or the Russian trillionare that owns the Nets please buy the islanders! PLEASE!

njersey
njersey

If this team continues to make the same mistakes over and over again, (and you can't fire the players, and you can't fire the owner and GM), who does that leave to fire ??? PATHETIC...... As an organization, we can't even FIRE PEOPLE CORRECTLY !!!!  You can't make this stuff up.... The Islanders are truly part or the TWILIGHT ZONE!!!  Pathetic !!!

njersey
njersey

I guess we have to wait another (32) games for (our sniper) Grabner to score again.... (-4 last night)... Pathetic

jameson
jameson

JT's liability in the D zone is the fault of the coaches. Any coach that is worth something would teach him how to play defense. These coaches can't get the guys who play defense to play it properly. For those who say JT is not elite just think what he would do if he played with the pens or ducks or sharks who have top notch talent on there top three lines. Just think what he could do playing the power play with Malkin letang Kunitz and Neal how many points do you think he would have by now. I am not saying he is the player Crosby is but just give that some thought

sparkey
sparkey

It was so cool when they scored those two quick goals and took the 3-1 lead. But what made the end result even more miserable was that they had at least five or so great chances to score more goals and blew it. They didn't make the Ducks pay for their mistakes and they did make them.  Also the league should expand the video review further, that icing call should have been overturned when Josh B clearly touched the puck. The Refs should be a little more accountable instead of always getting away with making bad calls. But the Isles are still to blame for folding like cheap cameras on the ensuing face off. I do see good things from them and believe that there are better times  to come. Wang and Snow better not go into the off season again with their Hope for the Best Template, they got good players to build around, come on you two get real now.

njersey
njersey

The Islanders, (unfortunately) are going to have to OVER-PAY to keep Vanek. He seems to be finally getting into "game shape" and it showed last night. He was GREAT. But again, for him to accept this mess, (the isles organization), long term - the Isles HAVE TO OVER-PAY. Remember what we gave away, and remember the Ryan Smyth mistake.... (in making these comments, I'm just trying to remain a fan of this team I love, but if Vanek does leaves because of MORE DOLLARS from another organization, I will have to tell the Islanders that I am done as a fan, I can only take so much abuse - but it seems like they really don't care whether I stay a fan or not)....

dkdk
dkdk

Couldn't agree more Mystery Machine. Snows "responsibility" for this is similar to Ewings guarNteed wins over Jordan.

Don22
Don22

@TonyM I have to ask why you think Vanek and JT don't have "the same chemistry" as MM and JT?  JT hasn't really missed a beat pts per game wise and Vanek has out-produced MM.  That chemistry was over rated.  JT is a professional and even though he was disappointed to see MM go, I guarantee you it hasn't affected his game.  


Vanek is going to be a gamble.  Garth needs to make a decision on how likely he can sign him and act accordingly.  If he feels he can't then yes, bite the bullet and find a trade.  But I don't think that will happen.  Vanek wasn't brought in to be traded if they don't make the playoffs.  He was brought in with the intent to sign him long term. 


Also in my opinion: bringing up rookies just let them gain experience isn't always the best route.  You would then essentially have 4 rookies on D and 3 rookie forwards in the same lineup.  That can hurt as much as you think it would help.  I get that we want to see what these guys can do, but it has to be in due time.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@TonyM Really you want to go with no chemistry?  JT is still top 6 or so in scoring and Vanek is lighting it up.  

fan42long
fan42long

@ mrcisback, you just have to trust Snow. The rebuild isn't even a decade old yet. Stop being impatient.

billw
billw

@mrcisback What you're really asking for is for Garth to be accountable for whats taking place. No one is this organization is held accountable. Garth's rebuild continues with no end in sight.  

fan42long
fan42long

@ Chris, Mtl is looking for size and snarl. Not really areas of abundant strength for the NYI.

since72
since72

@Chris R The guy is signed for another 5 years at a reasonable rate.  Montreal will not let him go.  And what do the Isles need with another forward?  The Isles will be sellers soon and the only buying they should be doing is on the D or in goal.

erika
erika

@Chris RAnother Forward? Does not make any sense.........therefore, it leads me to believe there is some truth to it! Swap for Vanek?

Don22
Don22

@Chris R Haven't heard that.  Not sure it would make sense if true.  Unless it were to acquire another asset to trade later?  He can score. but not much more - at least from what I see.

tag1
tag1

@rob Last time I checked the nets weren't doing so hot themselves.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@njersey You make it seem like Grabner was blowing coverage all night.  One goal was the empty net.  Getzlaf and Perry are huge and elite and this -4 is on the coaches.  The Frans line was too small to match up and to be honest unless they put the 4th line out there (sans Boulton perhaps) they were not going to match up size wise.  Then you cannot have the 4th line playing that much.  That said the issue was playing this wide open hockey in the third.  The Ducks announcers actually said after they went up 4-3, now watch how a real hockey team plays with a lead - more or less.  Point well taken.  There is a shut down style ALL big time teams deploy with a lead in the third and I do not know what Cappy's strategy is?

dzruggie
dzruggie

@sparkey Careful Sparkey - you are entering a forbidden zone on this blog, actually being optimistic.  

Don22
Don22

@njersey I respect your opinions and thoughts. But what abuse are you taking?  This is a game.  A sport.  I think sometimes we as fans care more about the team than we should.  I am guilty of it too.  At least up until a few years ago when my daughter was born and I realized that making myself crazy because a team I love (at that time the Jets) were playing horrible was just not worth it. 

I hope you stick around because I truly do believe that this team is on the brink of being a good, competitive team.  Not this year, but they are getting there. 

Try not to take it so hard.  It's not personal.  Watch and/or go to the games.  Root for your favorite players and the team and try to take something positive out of each game.  Otherwise, we would all be 1/2 way to a heart attack by now.

Now, as a disclaimer to certain posters here that are sure to rip me up:  My thoughts and perspective on this team in no way makes me any less frustrated or in any way less a fan than you.  I just choose to try and be as positive as I can and not let the negative affect me. 

Good luck njersey. 

Chris Oddo
Chris Oddo

@njersey Deal him. WE are in last place with him. He obviously can't help this team. Only better Defense can. 

dzruggie
dzruggie

@njersey You are right.  The advantage that Islanders have and will need to use is they can extend the extra year.  They probably will need to do 8  $8M, maybe $7M.  The cap goes up and big market teams WILL have the space and balls to sign this guy long term.  I hope they can lock him up well before.  

dkdk
dkdk

No accountability, no results, no communication. This is the Long Island gulag.

Don22
Don22

@erika @Chris R I agree.  Not much sense in acquiring another forward unless he views him as an asset for another trade. 

Don22
Don22

@mitchfritz @gordlane What difference does it make?  Just because the guy chooses to try and see the positives in this team?

I think the bigger issue is that you choose to write posts about him.  Obsess much?

bubbamac19
bubbamac19

@tag1@rob I'm not a pro BB fan, but when I get too bummed about the Isles I look at the Knicks and Nets. Especially the Knicks who spend money but, frankly, are all morons from top to bottom and have been for years on end. Like it or not or whether it works or not, the Isles have a plan and they are sticking to it for better or worse. the Knicks, well, yeesh...

mrcisback
mrcisback

@rmreturns   I remember that trade. Ryan Smyth for Robert Nilsson, Ryan O'marra and the 15th pick in the 2007 entry draft Alex Plante. The Islanders got lucky that none of those players amounted to anything in the NHL. I wouldn't make a habit of doing that too much. Lets hope Snow doesn't let Vanek walk away for nothing.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dzruggie @njersey   I seriously doubt that Vanek will sign with the Islanders. He already turned down 7 million a year from Buffalo right before he was traded to the islanders. He can get 7 to 8 million dollars a year from any team in the NHL after the season is over. Why would he sign with the 29th worst team in the league now. It would be nice if Vanek would sign with the iIslanders but i really don't see that. A trade is more likely.

dkdk
dkdk

Sort of like the way he needlessly belittled the person posting their opinion of the Ryan Smyth deal? You don't have to agree, but why belittle? Because he constantly acts better than everyone else. And people are tired of it.

Don22
Don22

@dkdk @mitchfritzFair points.  I guess maybe I didn't see that.  But it seems like you guys have had your fair share of run ins with him, so I will go on that.   I just felt that gordlane went out of his way to instigate something with his post. 

dkdk
dkdk

@shamwow, you are dead on. Finally there are people calling him out, so if snow and wang won't speak you have to go to the mouthpiece.

dkdk
dkdk

@don,sorry beg to differ there. I have been personally been insulted thousands of times by him. He loves to flex the biceps behind the keyboard and act like a know it all tough guy. There are others that usually disagree with me,like old IslanderFan77 but he never got personal or insulting, either way. But faux tough guy always is over the top with everyone. He knows all everyone else is dirt.

shamwow
shamwow

@dkdk 

All I want is the truth Quaint notion the truth, huh? Got an agenda, a job to do running interference for the fraudulent ownership? So be it. I have no problem with RM being a propagandist, PR man, spin merchant, or hired hack with his head up the cabana boy's rectum down in Florida...

Just don't come here towing the company line thinking you're not gonna get called out for it.

Don22
Don22

@dkdk Right. I get what you and Mitch are saying.  But to be fair, that's usually not the tone of his original posts.  That usually comes out after he's been jumped and he starts to get defensive. 

But lets be honest - most of us here when we post want to show the others "how much we know" about hockey.  I will admit I have posted my fair share of that.  It think we all have at one time or another.  But when it's viewed as pro-team, some people don't like to hear it.

dkdk
dkdk

It isn't the optomism that bothers people it is the condescending tone and the fact there never is any acknowledgment of the downside. I mean when you post Hickey is AWESOME, in all caps, it kind of leads people to think there is an agenda.

Don22
Don22

@mitchfritz @Don22 @gordlane I hear what you are saying about his style, but it's mostly on the defensive.  He writes a post with his observations, which are mostly positive and then there are 10 guys like you that rip him up, accuse him of being a Charles or Garth crony and spouting insults.  That's usually when he attacks back and usually with facts or at least come civility. 

I'm not riding anyone's jock.  I'm defending someone who I generally agree with and share some of the same optimistic opinions.  I get my fair share of ripping too.  You and I have gone back and forth.  Sometimes with good hockey points and sometimes not.

But to actually take the time to write a new post - not a reply to a post, but a new, unprovoked post about another poster here tells me that Gordlane has RM on the brain.   

bubbamac19
bubbamac19

@tag1 It's an interesting comparison, Wang and Dolan. Many of the Wang detractors want a more involved owner/ spending machine. Knicks fans just want their owners hands off the team and to spend more wisely - or have a semblance of a plan other than being allergic to draft picks. The Knicks are 10x the disaster the Isles ever were - remember Isaiah - and have 100x the money. Bad ownership comes in all shapes and sizes and budgets.

bubbamac19
bubbamac19

@mitchfritz Yikes. that's like the 7th ring of hell. Don't know much about BB but I've been watching the Knicks a long time - wanting to like them. Best time I had watching them was with Jeremy Lin. Now look at them. Who is there to like on that team? At least the Isles, for all their flaws, are decent guys and easy to root for.

tag1
tag1

@bubbamac19I can't stand the NBA and I am thrilled that both the knicks and nets suck, furthermore, I for one don't think it would be a good thing if nets ownership buys the Isles because their #1 priority will always be their NBA team because they would own teams that are in NYC and in this area basketball trumps hockey. dolan will always be more concerned with the knicks compared to the rangers. You think dolan would have had the knicks start their season off with 9 strait on the road? It would have never happened, he would have told them to get that construction wrapped up sooner, with the rangers he didn't care.

Don22
Don22

@mrcisback @Don22 @rmreturns You are right that Garth had no idea if those players were going to be good or not.  For the most part, nobody knows that at the time of a trade. But there is also no reason to think that Garth didn't feel that these prospects weren't going to amount to anything and that he should trade them now while they still had value.  Maybe that's giving him too much credit, but it's plausible.  There are lots of GMs out there who have an eye for talent - or lack thereof.  Maybe he saw the lack.

As for the Vanek trade.  Although I support the trade, that's a little different because with the draft picks they have the opportunity to turn into something good.  At least with actual players, you are able to evaluate what you are trading.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Don22 @mrcisback @rmreturns  I never said it was a bad trade. All i said was i wouldn't make it a habit of doing that too much. Snow had no idea if those players were going to be good or not he was just hoping that he could sign Ryan Smyth after the season was over.The odds are if you trade 3 prospects eventually 1 or 2 of those players are going to be good players. Remember the Islanders did get knocked out of the first round with Smyth on the team.

Don22
Don22

@mrcisback @rmreturns OR...Snow recognized that these players weren't going to amount to much.  It's easy to say he made a mistake by trading those players at that time - harder to give credit that maybe he had some foresight. 

Many people credit Cashman and the Yankees for being able to hype their prospects.  Is it out of the realm of possibility that Garth pulled off a good trade there?

dzruggie
dzruggie

@mrcisback @dzruggie @njersey Well he can get an additional $7-$8M dollars in his pocket - that is a big reason.  Home team can give 8 years and all others 7.  Plus it is not so bad having JT your center and in spite of this years results, a team that will be a contender