Grabner Injury Opens Up Another Chance for Young Isles

Christian Arnold, Islanders Point Blank:

SYOSSET, N.Y. — In the words of head coach Jack Capuano, the Islanders are “decimated right now” by injury.

And it only got worse on Wednesday when the team announced that Michael Grabner will be out with a concussion. After practice at Islanders Iceworks in Syosset, Capuano was not sure of the time table for the injury or who would be called up, but he did know that there would be even more minutes for players trying to prove themselves.

“All the guys are going to get minutes,” Capuano said. “We got back-to-back games. We got a lot of hockey coming up… All the guys will play. We shorten the bench when we have to, but at the end of the day there’s a lot guys getting eight to 11 minutes on our team.”

The Islanders have upcoming games against the San Jose Sharks on Friday and the Buffalo Sabres on Saturday. Both games will provide ample opportunity for players like Ryan Strome and Anders Lee to get more playing time under their belt. Lee was even moved up to the Isles first line in the team’s third period comeback.

“It’s a big opportunity and you’re asked a lot when you play in a position like that,” Lee, who has seven points (5 goals, 2 assists) in seven games since his call-up, said Wednesday. “You gotta be ready for it and go in, and work hard. And just try to do your best.”

The added playing time has also benefitted Strome, who has had four points (2 goals, 2 assists) in the last five games, and he knows that this is the time for him and his young teammates to make a mark.

“You gotta step up and be ready to go,” he said. “Every game is a new challenge and it’s hard to fill the void for any of these guys, but anyone’s loss is a good opportunity. I’m sure who ever gets that chance is going to make the most of it.”

Isles Excited to Have Kevin Czuczman

The newest member of the Islanders organization, Kevin Czuczman, hadn’t arrived yet Wednesday, but he was one of the topics being talked about after the team wrapped up their practice.

“Obviously he’s a guy that we targeted early on,” Islander Coach Jack Capuano said. “He’s a guy that we’ve stayed in touch with and just talking to him yesterday he’s really excited. He’s a good sized defenseman, fine skater, skates real well, and moves the puck. He’s one of the elite defenseman in that league. I know there were a lot of teams that were looking at him, so we were fortunate that he’s gonna be an Islander.”

During his sophomore season at Lake Superior State University, Czuczman set a career high in goals, with 10, and in points, with 21. In 114 career games there he recorded 45 points (14 goals, 31 assists).

Several teams were interested in Czuczman, but he signed with the Islanders partly because his familiarity with John Tavares, Ryan Strome and Casey Cizikas.

“I sent him a little text just congratulating him,” Strome said. “You know it’s always a little bit of an awkward situation, but I’m sure the guys will welcome him nicely and he’s a good hard working kid. Hopefully he comes in here and has fun.”

Czucman is expected to join the team on Thursday.




122 comments
Dominick J. De Angelis
Dominick J. De Angelis

Mike, I agree with that too...his LACK OF HOCKEY KNOWLEDGE has destroyed any chances of the team getting better.

bubbamac19
bubbamac19

How does one come to be a college free agent like Czuzman or the guy the oilers signed last year? Were they undefeated late bloomers? Anyone know?

Billy T Moore
Billy T Moore

I'd like to see Nilsson get 10 starts in these last games to see what he's got

..10 total games is not enough, especially with the team he has had in front of him. I'd hate to see them give up on him and becomes another Ben Bishop and come back to haunt us

Chris
Chris

Kevin Czuczman - YAWN

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

pierre mc guire gets all over vanek for no-show defense on chara goal.

and tonight, mm +nn vs. rags.

Shannon Falotico
Shannon Falotico

Whatever cap space we have offer to Hiller or Ryan miller.. Boom playoff team

erika
erika

Horrific season...from players to management, and everyone in between. Let's see what we have in the system, and please Snow and Wang, for once...reward those who do well and no more mediocre 3rd and fourth line signings! Lee has been impressive, as has DeHahn. Unless we can sign upscale talent, don't bother! Can we please, for once take a step forward?

Scott Weinstein
Scott Weinstein

Off topic: Shock waves are still reverberating throughout Canada the epic collapse by the Canucks the other night.

Peter Lazazzara
Peter Lazazzara

 Are you Garth lovers serious about him doing a good job ? He's been the GM 7 years and the Isles are worse off since he took over.and please stop with he drafted JT crap, my 12 yearold nephew would've drafted him too..Get a real goalie and some decent defensemen..Enough with guys like Martinek, Carkner, Strait, and especially Bailey..

mrcisback
mrcisback

  I would say the NY Islanders would have probably won 1 or 2 Stanley cups from 2005 to 2010 if Milbury didn't make the incredibly foolish moves he made starting form the 2000 NHL draft up to 2005. Luongo, Chara,Spezza,Jokinen and either Heatly and or Gaborik would have been all Islanders in there prime by 2005. I'll also bet Milbury probably cost us a new arena deal.Every time Islander fans compare Snow to Milbury it makes me laugh. Snow is a brain surgeon compared to mad Mike Milbury.

Don22
Don22

@bubbamac19 My guess is he stayed in college through his entire draft eligibility?  Not good enough to be drafted out of HS and decides to stay in college 4 years and not leave early?  OR just not good enough to be drafted period?  Not really sure.

shlo
shlo

@gleichzahl why are you surprised? he does not want to be there, gets his millions regardless. Buffalo fans were screaming about his D play for a long time. He scores goals. By the time he gets used to his new line mates the season will be over.

ocanada
ocanada

@erika Totally agree w/your earlier comments, this is all on Wang.  He is unwilling or unable to spend the money on players/staff/management/coaching that is required to compete in the NHL.  Even if Snow was a quality/respected GM he is totally handcuffed.  Snow is just a pawn to take the heat off Wang and Capuano is a pawn to take the heat off Snow.  Wang101 Lesson: make sure there is someone incompetent a rung down so everyone can blame them.

Chris
Chris

@Peter Lazazzara - Spot on. Overpaid for Vanek and lost that bet. He could have tried a LITTLE harder for Schneider OR Bernier - both young stud G's who are worth overpaying for.


And mind you OVERPAY is the operative word. Even with the run last year, and JT, Snow needed to overpay for a starting goalie and he has failed miserably. His coach cannot nurture young talent either (JT and Hamonic are the only two and both likely progressed on their own). Still too many high picks who haven't panned out, including 2 goalies in the second round.


He's not a GM, nor is he ever going to "Win" a trade from the real hockey men in this league.

doc942
doc942

@Peter Lazazzara  Yeah… I agree, your 12 year old would have drafted him… the only problem with that logic is that there were very "passionate" Islander fans on this very same IPB telling other fans that the Islanders should go with Hedman and then there were others saying they should go with Duchene.  There were some of the so called experts saying Hedman should be #1.  So Garth DID make the right draft choice with Tavares.  It wasn't as simple as it looks now.

isles23
isles23

@peter. I do think Garth has done a good job overall, but he has made big mistakes as well. He has left the organization as a hole in a better place then when he got it. I've said a few times now I like a lot of the moves he's made and feel he's gotten this team pretty close to a solid contender. But atm am not sure if he's the one to bring them over the hump. When you think about it he has this team a goalie away. Look what happened when we had a goalie with a save %of .915. We were as hot and good as any team in the league. His issue has been finding said goalie that can do it for a hole season, there he has failed big time. If someone comes in to take over they will only need a couple moves, or one very good one, to make this team very solid.

erika
erika

@orange2327 love it! That would work. The problem is...does our management have a clue???

erika
erika

@orange2327 Yep, I was mortified then, and I am mortified now! Zack , by all accounts should have been an Islander! How the hell do you pass him up?? My question: If they sign Vanek and Moulson, how can the Wild keep Zack? I would be very happy having Moulson back, and Zack would also be a no  brainer! Come on Garth!!! Get with the damn program, stop being a damn liability and sign some talent that would actually help this team!

mrcisback
mrcisback

@orange2327    Orange i was also going to bring up the 2003 NHL draft when Milbury over ruled most of his scouts and picked Robert Nilsson over Zack Parise. Milbury said Nilsson had star power written all over him.  If the islanders could have added Parise to the young group he traded then forget about it. 

Todd Walsh
Todd Walsh

@mrcisback  absolutely agree.  I think many of the people saying this were not around to realize that MM was the worst gm in the history of the nhl.  

dkdk
dkdk

So Milbury drafted talent and traded it too quickly and snows defense is he doesn't draft talent.

Btw - wang would have paid chara and luongo 8M per year each?

I have no reason to compare snow to Milbury as Milbury is two GMs ago and closing in on a decade ago. I compare snow to his 29 counterparts. And in that comparison he is a buffoon.

isles4life
isles4life

How about Elliot, statsny, and Matt Greene, sounds good to me, now start spending money wang if you want the fans to not hate you as much as we do

erika
erika

@doc942 @Peter LazazzaraOh please, Doc! Everyone wanted Tavares, Isle fans were nervous because Snow was so secretive. They were afraid he would botch this up!

tag1
tag1

@doc942 From a June 12, 2009 IPB piece:


"In a Point Blank poll the day after the lottery, more than 90% of 632 individual voters wanted Tavares. Results of a new Islandermania poll: Tavares – 282, Hedman – 34, Duchene – 8.

Doesn't sound like the fans were divided doc, does it? snow deserves NO CREDIT for picking JT.

tag1
tag1

@doc942 @Peter Lazazzara "Yeah… I agree, your 12 year old would have drafted him… the only problem with that logic is that there were very "passionate" Islander fans on this very same IPB telling other fans that the Islanders should go with Hedman and then there were others saying they should go with Duchene"

This is at least the second time you posted this BOGUS info. IPB did a poll back then and close to 90% of the fans wanted JT, so there goes that argument.

Todd Walsh
Todd Walsh

@erika @orange2327  Tired of this type of comment.  Do you understand that the player actually has to WANT to sign here?  You and many others are forgetting this.The free agents still do not want to sign here.  Garth has done the best he can to get the players here.  The only thing I believe he can be blamed for is keeping this coach around all these years, despite his inability to improve his teams performance in the third period.  If he has not been able to correct this problem after all these years, with all these different players, it is obviously his system that is to blame.  

Chris
Chris

@erika @orange2327- They aren't going to keep Moulson in MN, and I doubt Vanek will get the $$ the Isles offered anywhere else. But he wanted his chance at being a UFA so here we are.


dzruggie
dzruggie

@mrcisback @orange2327  It gets worse since Getzlaf was picked after Parise as was Kessler, Bret Burns, Corey Perry and Mike Richards not to mention we took  Dmitri Chernykh one pick BEFORE Shea Weber was picked - ugly.

Todd Walsh
Todd Walsh

@Jason Zimmermann @mrcisback  dude, those of us that were here during the horrible 10 years of MM know that he was the worst gm in the history of the nhl.  there is no one that is even close.  not only that, but he was not a good person either.  he constantly belittled all the players. 

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dkdk   Milbury refused to pay Chara 8 million over 3 years before he traded him. Milbury said Chara didn't deserve to make that much money. The best goaltenders were only making 3 million a year by the time Luongo was up for a new contract.

Joey Ferguson
Joey Ferguson

@dkdk  regardless.... milbury is a worse gm then snow...... milbury traded all the young talent to "win a cup now" and how did that go? thats what started snows rebuild.... the system was completly demolished. no prospect pool. very little NHL talent at the time snow took over.

doc942
doc942

@erika @doc942 @Peter Lazazzara  Revisionist history.  I wanted Tavares and thought it was the obvious choice.  I had arguments with people on this site that wanted to go DEFENSE first.  If the comments section was still available from those posts I would show you… but they are no longer available.  And again… please don't let facts get in the way of your truth.  To say EVERYONE means EVERYONE…. 100%  100 out of 100.  And that simply was not the case.  Your own evidence proves it.


"In a Point Blank poll the day after the lottery, more than 90% of 632 individual voters wanted Tavares. Results of a new Islandermania poll: Tavares – 282, Hedman – 34, Duchene – 8.


I'm not arguing that they should have taken anyone but Tavares… but there were definitely people that wanted Hedman and Duchene.

tag1
tag1

@doc942 @tag1 "I agree that there should have been a riot if they didn't chose Tavares. The clear choice was Tavares.  The poll asked… "who do you think the Islanders will chose…?"  which is different than "who do you want them to chose…?"  The first is a prediction the second is a desire."

" In a Point Blank poll the day after the lottery, more than 90% of 632 individual voters wanted Tavares."

Wrong AGAIN doc VOTERS WANTED TAVARES, show me all the posts that wanted anyone but Tavares. It was a no brainier doc that's why snow got it right. snow has been GM 8 years and not only hasn't he won a playoff series we have finished near the bottom of the league most of those years that's why he gets slammed and it's well deserved  I might add.

doc942
doc942

@tag1  I agree that there should have been a riot if they didn't chose Tavares. The clear choice was Tavares.  The poll asked… "who do you think the Islanders will chose…?"  which is different than "who do you want them to chose…?"  The first is a prediction the second is a desire.


I know there was a majority of fans that wanted Tavares… but there was A LOT of fans that thought the Islanders SHOULD draft Duchene or Hedman.  They said DEFENSE wins championships.  While that may be true, it would have been foolish to pass on Tavares.


My point is that it wasn't a no brainer for those that thought that the Islanders should take Hedman or Duchene.  Snow makes the RIGHT choice and gets slammed.  Makes the wrong choice and gets slammed.  He can't win.

tag1
tag1

@doc942 @Peter Lazazzara Use the search engine at the top of the page I gave you the date go find it. I guess you don't remember the talk of there being a riot at the draft party if they don't choose Tavares and you're right it wasn't 90% it was more than 90%.

tag1
tag1

@orange2327 They are going to hammer Vanek in Montreal if he doesn't pick up his game and fast.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@rmreturns  RM - I hear you but in this case, meaning where the team is in their development they needed to over pay.  I get $50M is an incredible sum  but truth is the guy was coming off a 7 year $50M.  The Isles had the opportunity to extend a contract nobody could match and that was going to 8 years.  Sure by the eight year they are sitting on a financial burden but if the long term game plan worked, they would be in Brooklyn with more revenue while the league cap increases thus decreasing the % of the hit.  That said the Vanek deal was the right move however if I were the owner Snow went high risk high reward and failed, coupled with the bad season I would have to let him go.  Anyway what do you make of Lee? 

erika
erika

@rmreturns rm, stop smoking the damn weed! Vanek, from the BEGINING, before the trade even happened said no matter what, he felt he wanted to explore free agency! Tell me, what big time player, did this regime ever entice to sign here? Various reports from reliable NHL sources say that the Isles were offered MUCH MORE if they took on some of Vanek's salary. They refused! Same as the reason they refused to resign a bonafide 30+ goal scorer that was their franchise player's best friend: MONEY!!!! If you are thinking any other way...you are dead wrong! You are correct in one aspect: The Islanders suck because of the owner, not the GM's.

dkdk
dkdk

Trottier is no Anders Lee

tag1
tag1

@dkdk yup, forget the team from the early 80's snow is building a even bigger dynasty team.

dkdk
dkdk

Tag .... Didn't we already rip number 5 out of the rafters and slap it on Reinhart?

tag1
tag1

@dkdk get the new model all of snow's draft picks get into the Hall of Fame
 

dkdk
dkdk

Yes I think mine have been on the fritz for about a dozen years. Maybe I need to be sitting in aspen sipping some scotch.

tag1
tag1

@dkdk Yup dk just get out that orange and blue crystal ball, everything is going to be great.

dkdk
dkdk

Right tag .... People all over the continent who have held jobs as commentators, players, coaches, GMs, etc all shredded him but they all know nothing. And snow gets praise for doing exactly what they criticize Milbury for doing.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dkdk    Either way you look at it Vanek turned down 50 million. Thats a lot of money. He may not get that type of money especially if he goes cold the rest of the season. I really don't know why they weren't interested in signing Moulson.

tag1
tag1

@dkdk snow was bashed by almost the entire hockey world, were they all wrong? He has been beyond horrible since last summer. Weren't we told by certain individuals on here to give the Vanek trade time if it doesn't turn out well then snow should be hammered, well according to 99% of the hockey world it didn't turn out good and yet he still gets defended on here, the teflon snow, cant do no wrong.
 

dkdk
dkdk

MrC it is easy to offer a guy a deal when you know he will turn it down. I would have had no problem giving Moulson half that but he would have accepted it and real money would have been leaving wangs pocket.

As for tending, ward looks a bit off to me and Reimer may be good if the price is cheap. He also could be a younger Nabby. I don't see a lot of clear cut upgrades that are an easy get. There were last and snow didn't pounce.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dkdk   Wang just offered Vanek 50 million over 7 years and 4 million for a 4th pairing defenseman. The Islanders are going to trade for a goaltender with all those 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks. I read there looking at Reimer and Cam Ward as trade possibilities. I definitely don't like Ward at all.

dkdk
dkdk

Tag .... That is one of my two points. The other is, and this doesn't go solely for the GM, but everything in general, STOP GRADING AGAINST THE WORST! Start demanding results already!!! Enough is enough. I am tired of the Donovan isn't great but he is so much better than eaton type of crap.

dkdk
dkdk

MrC .... The only player that wang has paid good money to since Yashin is JT, and he is grossly underpaid (and who knows, maybe annoyed by it). Now I am not saying Moulson is chara by any means, but is certainly a quality nhl goal scorer and the whole trade orchestrated was to get out from paying him. And that backs to my other point back to as well.

What goalie is coming here? Miller isn't. I really doubt hiller is. Who is the savior? And why wasn't he brought here last offseason when the tending was just as disastrous? When your goalie is outplayed by a guy Yanked in a playoff series, you cut bait. Snow gives him a raise.

tag1
tag1

@dkdk I don't think either one of us thinks milbury was a good GM but neither is snow and snow benefits from the cap floor rule..

dkdk
dkdk

Tag ... I have said that so many times. JT would have been on a podium in Sotheby's with Toronto and the rags just ponying up 40-50M for upchucks wallet.

tag1
tag1

There was no cap floor when mad mike was gm I'd love to see what this team would look like if there was no cap floor with snow as GM scary thought dk

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dkdk   None of those two players were going to make 8 million a year by the time they were up for new contracts in the mid 2000's. Wang would have had no choice to pay Luongo and Chara once they both turned into stars especially if the Islanders had a very good team that was winning and the coliseum was full.

dkdk
dkdk

This goes for both Milbury and snow .... A lot of what they say, I feel, is what wang orders. There is no way on God' green earth he was paying two guys 8M per to stay here.

dkdk
dkdk

Chris R .... If the vanek double reaming didn't fully knock snow off of his podium I don't know what will.

wylie
wylie

@rmreturns I'm sure Wang will open his wallet and pay a 25 percent premium to get UFA's to sign here.You are the most delusional poster on this site.Players don't want to come to the Isles--Didn't you get the memo!! 

wylie
wylie

@rmreturns I guess Snow makes the money decisions and not Wanger.Why do you think UFA's are going to sign with the Isles this year vs.previous off seasons?Oh thats right we're moving in the right direction and Brooklyn is a hot bed for hockey.Wang will have to pay at least a 25 percent premium to get any of the UFA's interested in coming to Isles.You think Wang will give his stamp of approval?Dream on!!!!!

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

@rmreturns  i didn't realize snow was so rich.

erika
erika

@Joey Ferguson @dkdkWho is the goalie coach? Dunham...Snow's buddy? Funny, how he trades our franchise player's main man in Moulson, who was actually our main goal scorer for a few years, but keeps his friends the goalie coach who is doing an awful job, since our goalies started out with lot's of potential, and have gone downhill instead of showing any progress! Why the hell doesn't this organization reward success? In my opinion, that is the problem...again, Wang...all financially based decisions...nothing to do with on ice success!

erika
erika

@Joey Ferguson @isles23Snow has build the "farm" system, because he never had the green light to build the NHL team. Soon as a player does well....he is good as gone! Why? Wang will have to pay market value! This is a no-no in chinese culture, I suppose!

erika
erika

@Joey Ferguson @dkdkI met Milbury quite a few times. Make no mistake: His hands were total;ly tied most of the time! Under Gluckstien ownership, he was ORDERED to deplete the assets! I met him at a Garden City bar, and we spoke for about 25 minutes! He was knowledgable and sincere. Did he  make good decisions all the time? NO!! But it was eating him alive that he could not build the team he wanted! Dudes, listen up: IT IS THE DAMN OWNERS!!!! In this case, Wang has owned the team too long without improvement!

tag1
tag1

@dkdk and the fact that it was a meaningless game because they went on a long losing streak and dropped out of the playoff race You think Hamonic would be rushing the puck like Bobby Orr if these games meant anything?

dkdk
dkdk

@tag .... A 7 goal third period supersedes a dozen years of failure I guess.

tag1
tag1

@shamwow @dkdk Vanek said that was the best line he ever played on with JT and KO and he still wouldn't sign here everyone but snow knew what his plans were for this season.

tag1
tag1

@dkdk he got over that woeful performance on trade deadline day pretty quick didn't he?

dkdk
dkdk

Yeah sham I thought he was advocating a change in wangs yes man spot

dkdk
dkdk

Dgr33k .... Another little tidbit that is ignored. Keep sucking long enough and you should have a lot of kids.

dkdk
dkdk

Poulin is a hot mess

shamwow
shamwow

@dkdk  

But it is somewhat reassuring reading the shill again commending Snow for the Vanek trade... Seems like old times, doesn't it?

For awhile there I was concerned the Snow memorial was on hold, and all that fine imported Italian marble might go to waste.

dagr33k
dagr33k

Besides last year the Islanders have picked in the top 10 for the last 7 years. In the 7 years I hope snow could build a farm system with all his high picks.

dkdk
dkdk

@joey .... About the developing a goalie, I guess that isn't on this GM either?

dkdk
dkdk

@joey, saying snow made "some mistakes" is like saying that the A bomb did some damage.

isles23
isles23

@dkdk. I got what you said about raising the bar and I do agree. Sometimes it just really gets me seeing Millbury on TV. He traded guys that were young and still under team control so contracts were not the issue yet. But I would've put Nino in the 'new' wave and kabonov did have lottery pick talent but was a head case. That's why he fell in the draft. As I said in another post we've taken a lot chances on guys in later/middle rounds. Sometimes you get a dud, Kabonov, sometimes you get a stud, Lee. At least at this point in time anyway on those guys, not saying Lee is a stud yet but that's just the easiest example. Well see if Snow gets replaced, doesn't look like it atm and if he doesn't I would love to see someone brought in like the Knicks are doing with Phil Jackson. Not to run the show and someone that doesnt want too but just give advice and bring some much needed credibility.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Joey Ferguson @mrcisback @dkdk    Like i said earlier we need two new goaltenders next season not named Nabakov,Poulan and Nilsson. I think the islanders are going to make a push in a trade for James Reimer. With 2- 2nds, 2-3rds and 3- #4ths there is room to trade for a good goaltender. I'm not 100% sold on Reimer but he's better then all 3 goaltenders we have now.

Joey Ferguson
Joey Ferguson

@dkdk  snow has made some mistakes. it happens. but he has made some moves other GMs would not have made. im neither happy with garths work or angry about it. next year  and this coming offseason is where i judge.

dkdk
dkdk

Matt .... And you miss my point, if Milbury is the bottom rung can we just judge snow against something a little higher? It doesn't have to be Torrey but something where there are something other than a complete mess?

Where I agree with you is he may have left the next guy some guys to work with. My problem is I don't think the next guy is around the corner, and the current guy hasn't gotten enough out of his guys. You list a lot of guys highly rated, but so were Bailey and niño at one point. And many publications said Kabanov could have been a lottery pick. So isn't completely fair to say that these guys are light years ahead of the ones I mentioned.

Joey Ferguson
Joey Ferguson

@mrcisback @Joey Ferguson @dkdk yes next season is the judgement year. FA`s should want to come here with all the young talent now showing at the NHL level. should be a major attraction.... if snow resigns nabby (although has been my favorite goalie in the nhl since i was 10) he should be fired on the spot.... UNLESS he states nabby is signed as a back up. but if nabby comes in as the starting goalie im calling for garths head...

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Joey Ferguson @dkdk   Joey i was also going to give Snow the 2014-15 season because all the top offensive and defensive prospects should be on the Islanders. If the Islanders aren't a playoff team by this time next year then he's a failure.

isles23
isles23

@dkdk. You miss the point here. When was the last 'wave' of prospects we had this highly rated league wide? Ullstrom, Comeau, Bruno, Campoli, and so on were never rated highly. Strome, Rienhart, Pokka, Pulock, Lee, Nelson on the other hand are all thought of as solid prospects, and not just by the isles but independent sources. Your right Snow hasn't had success and he might not be the guy to take the team to the next level but he has sure given the next guy alot to work with.

Joey Ferguson
Joey Ferguson

@dkdk BP would be winning if w could develop a goalie. why we cant do that is beyond me..... i would like to see ullstrom and rakshani an koskkinen  come back and play for the isles next season..... send bailey to BP.

dkdk
dkdk

Joey .... Have you seen bports record? You know what we be spectacular? Winning the standings battle, not continuously talking about the next wave of prospects. Remember niño, Bailey, Kabanov, Petrov, Ullstrom, Poulin, Nilsson?

Joey Ferguson
Joey Ferguson

@isles23  this is the reason i am "drinking the coolaid" right now snow has done enough to help the farm team help the nhl team and nnow he should be able to bring in some UFAS this is the offseason to judge snow

dkdk
dkdk

So anyone that said the Vanek trade was good because snow tried to do something better write Milbury an apology because when he did that he was killed (and rightly so). All I know is they both have failed abysmally but since wang has owned the team the 2001 team was by far the best and that was milburys team. He may have sucked but he made the playoffs 4 times in 13 years (including when he was ordered to sell ziggy). In 8 years the only playoff trips from snow were his first year after Nolan was hired by wang and Neil smith brought in he UFAs and last year in a strike shortened year. So while both are awful, if you look at results, and I know many don't, snow hasn't even succeeded to milburys level.

And for the record why don't we stopped judging everything around here against the worst and actually try raising the bar. Compare in real time or against some thing other than a mess. People only bring up snow to somehow placate themselves into believing snow is somehow qualified.

isles23
isles23

@joey. Exactly. Even with the mistakes snow has made he hasn't left the organization barren like Milbury did.

Joey Ferguson
Joey Ferguson

@dkdk  snow had to rebuild the enitre system. from the farm system to the nhl talent. an now he has something to help him convince free agents to sign here..... this is the off season where i will lay my final judgement on snow.