ISLANDERS 2 LIGHTNING 1 (SO) Poulin trumps Bishop in goaltender duel

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The Islanders got back to winning again beating the ‘2nd in the conference’ Tampa Bay Lightning in a tightly contested defensive struggle.  This is only the second time this season they’ve won a game when scoring less than three goals, but hey, it’s the second time in the last four games, so things are looking up!

They came out a bit flat and fell behind early again when the Lightning scored on a power play off a Brian Strait over the glass penalty. The Lightning forwards used a lot of cross-ice passes which had Kevin Poulin going down and eventually over-commiting and unable to recover.  Martin St. Louis was left with an empty net to bury his 21st of the season off the pass from Valtteri Filppula. The defense could’ve done more to prevent the amount of passing Tampa Bay engaged in too.  Tampa just manhandled that first kill.

The Isles weren’t able to answer on two power plays of their own in the period.   They got a scare when Brock Nelson was caught in the head on a strange but legal hit from Filppula.  He must’ve passed protocols because he did return to the bench, but as always with any potential concussions, time will tell.

It was a mostly uneventful period offensively, but recently activated defenseman Radek Martinek created some adventure on the defensive side.  He appeared rusty and slow to pick up assignments.  At one point getting too deep while taking a shot and chasing the play all the way back to the defensive zone.  Luckily, the shot was telegraphed for the crest and Poulin came up with the save.

The second was a close checking affair at even strength, but the penalty brigade continued for both sides.

Thomas Vanek had a good chance for the equalizer off a give and go with Kyle Okposo (with Tavares as net front presence), but the puck rolled on him a bit and the shot was of poor velocity.  Bishop, with his size made most shots look less than dangerous.

Casey Cizikas got a hard working breakaway after he stripped the puck from a Lightning player. He was hounded by Victor Hedman and again, Bishop eclipsed the net, however, Cal Clutterbuck was trailing and was pulled down by Teddy Purcell negating the Andrew MacDonald tripping penalty.

The fourth line was gave the Isles their best sustained offensive chance with Martin being stopped on Bishop’s left side, and the puck coming across the crease where Cizikas had some open area to shoot at.  That was blocked by the slimmest of margins though and cleared.  On the Isles next trip in, Colin McDonald chipped some paint off the crossbar, and it looked like the Isles were not going to get the bounces on the evening.

But late in the period, Hedman took a high-sticking penalty against Brian Strait.  Off the ensuing faceoff, Tavares won it to Vanek, who swat-chipped it to Nielsen.  Nielsen crossed it back to the right and Vanek put it past a diving Bishop and the Isles were able to carry the 1-1 tie into intermission.

The Lightning took over the third possession wise outshooting the Isles 8-3 for the period and dictating the play.  Hedman was particularly active and on one shift, he walked through the slot twice.   One time getting a weak shot off that Poulin coralled, the other, he rang the far post on the backhand.

Tavares and Vanek had a golden chance of their own when Vanek dished a rink-wide pass across the crease that Tavares also hit the post with.  At the end of a long shift, Tavares and Vanek had an odd man rush, but were caught and disrupted beautifully by Richard Panik

In the overtime, both teams lookes a bit conservative and shots were 4-2 for the Isles.  Brock Nelson had a particularly strong showing outmuschling a couple of Lightning defenders (Hedman included) and retrieving pucks and setting up scoring chances.  Tavares had a strong shift with Frans Nielsen late as well, but the Lightning did well to get their sticks active and disrupt play.

In the shootout, the automatic Dane did what he does, this time with his backup move, the five-hole wrist shot to get the Isles the extra point in the skills show.

Shootout:

Filppula wrist shot-post

Nielsen-wrist shot, five hole-good.

Kucherov-wrist shot- five hole-saved

Vanek- wrist shot- five hole-saved

Hedman- wrist shot saved

NOTICINGS:

  • Poulin has won 7 of his last 9 after going through a six game losing streak.  Matt Saidman indicated that he is 3-0 in shootouts and has saved 10/11 shootout attempts against this season.  As of this writing, he still has a .898 sv%, but he is on the upswing.
  • Radek Martinek didn’t look too good in his return to action.  He seemed to miss a few reads early on and his shot selection led to a couple of blocks and clears.  Let’s hope he can get that under control if Travis Hamonic is going to continue to miss time.  The Isles are running out of defensive options.
  • Hedman’s a beast huh?  He has 10 goals on the season too.  And he seems to have a bit of a mean streak.  Let’s hope that’s how Reinhart looks in a couple of years.
  • Ben Bishop is gigantic.  And very good too.  He’s really elevating that team.  They’ll be pretty tough if Stamkos can get back into the swing of things quickly.
  • There are a bunch of divisional games coming up. Two against the Flyers, one each against the Rangers and Penguins and really, the rest of the month is tough. There may be some more Boulton and Carkner sprinkled into the lineup.



155 comments
erika
erika

Vanek has been putting up points thanks to unbelievable point blank feeds from JT and even Okposso. To be honest, I think he is defensively irresponsible. If that were Strome, he would be benched every night, because while it is true Vanek is a point per game player, it is also true that every game one of his giveways result in a goal against! Oh,  and is that the best he could do on the shootout? I mean...what the hell kind of a lame attempt was that?? Still, I think at this point we need to try and sign him, and if we can't, we better get Moulson back.....at least he is a pure goal scorer (we have enough passers). Would be great if they could sign Vanek and MM....then at least all those blind behind the back passes would be goals! Yes, I know it's a pipe dream, but those 2 combined with Reinhart and Pullock coming up on D, I would say we are in good shape!


Good win last night, they found a way!

ivo leggi
ivo leggi

Assuming Klesla clears waivers:


To Phx: PM Bouchard
To NYI: Rotislav Klesla (with equivalent of $975k retained)

Both players cleared waivers earlier this season, most likely because of salary. 

With Hamonic out with a possible concussion, the Isles have need for a defenseman. Phoenix has an abundance of defensemen and needs scoring wingers.

This allows both teams to take a chance on a struggling player without adding any salary.

army72
army72

we don't need more prospects and young talented players. We Need established players. We CAN'T trade Vanek if we're close to a playoff spot. If they do I will be screaming. They need to go for it!!!! Enough with building for the future...snow has been given enough time for building. Do what you need to do to make the playoffs if that means keeping Vanek until the end of this year then so be it. I do think he will sign with the isles. Buffalo is in a different situation we are in. They are rebuilding our minimum expectation is making the playoffs

dzruggie
dzruggie

Overall a well played game and good to see Poulin looking to be the guy.  In the end while there may have been some coverage breakdowns, they did not break and a win is a win.  The division games are soooo big.

Mark Arnold
Mark Arnold

Boulton over Carkner, I just don't see how he adds anything, not even toughness, to the lineup. Just slow, plodding skating, penalties, and few hits. Yeah, they're short on defensemen but I really don't see how Carkner helps them win any of the tough games ahead

puckywhale
puckywhale

Big win!! It's really a drag that every team in this division is hot as a pistol right now. Why was the 4th line out there with 1 min to play in the game? Martin & McDonald should be planted on the end of the bench with less than 10:00 min to go in any close game. I understand wanting to get #53 out there, but that doesn't mean you have to play #17 & #13. Poor choice that nearly cost them the game in my opinion.

army72
army72

How can you trade Vanek? You trade to a team that will be a contender which means you'll get a late first round pick and maybe a prospect. That first round pick or prospect will not have impact for another 3-4 years. I don't care about prospects  or picks. We have enough feaking propects. If the Isles win 2 out of the next three games we're back in the thick of things. We will need Vanek to make a push. I don't care if he tells them he's not signing we need to keep him. In the off season the Isles will need to go hard at free agents or trade prospects for NHL ready players. Enough with prospects and picks the isles can't develop them anyhow. We have one of the best hockey players in the worlds build a team around him now not 3-4 years from now.

doc942
doc942

@erica - me thinks you are not watching the same Thomas Vanek that the rest of us are. To say he's putting up points just because of Tavares and Okposo is ludicrous. Maybe Tavares and Okposo are putting up crazy points because of Vanek... Could be. I also think Vanek has been a big +/- plus player with islanders. He works very hard, takes a beating in front of the net and does indeed get back on defense. Open your eyes a bit... you might like what you see.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@erika Erika you just do not like the guy for what ever reason.  Moulson?  Who knows but you are so far off base here it is just silly.  I love while it is true he is a point per game person - just a silly comment and your other comment that he is only receiving feeds from JT - I mean are you even watching the games??????  

tpjm
tpjm

@erika Vanek has a history of being a great shootout scorer.  I think he's 2 for 5 this season. He plays better defense than you give him credit for and I've seen him bust it often to backcheck and get back in the D zone. He's not paid to be Michael Peca and must concentrate on his strenghths which has the team winning a bunch of games. Moulson disappeared in the playoffs and is overrated.  Don't want him back at his price. Without JT he's bupkis.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@Chris R For sure.  One point here and there will have to do.  The good thing is we do not need 8 points tomorrow, so consistent play and a point at a time will do the job.  Most important is winning the division games.....that is the ticket.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@army72 If you can't sign him by the deadline why would you keep him for a potential playoff run that more than likely will not result in a cup? We're still 4 years away from being in a position to contend with the Chicago's, Anaheim's and Pittsburg's of the world so why would we not pick up at least what we paid for him?

gowhale
gowhale

@puckywhale great name!  Go Whale

Tampa's pushes last night were surrounded with very physical play from Tampa's 2-3 lines.  Martin and McDonald played their role last night, very hard hits and Colin even dropping the gloves.  I had no issue with a little physicality as Tampa was pushing the limit.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@puckywhale I thought the fourth line with the exception of one shift really controlled play and kept the pressure on.  Did not think it was a big deal.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@army72  

Snow cannot afford to lose Vanek for nothing, and I will point out that right now Buffalo is shopping Moulson around the league.  The asking price as one NHL GM is on record as stating, is a first round pick and a young player with some talent.  Imagine the screams that would emanate from Islander Country should Buffalo get that asking price and Vanek walks.  Technically Vanek would have garnered Buffalo two first round picks, a second round pick, and a young talent of undisclosed terms, and we would have gotten nothing.  Snow had best be on his toes or there is no telling how many heads will implode around here should that scenario come to fruition...  

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@army72 It was that exact type of plan that led us to trade away Luongo, Betuzzi, Weiss, Berrard, Jokinen, Chara, Brewer.... etc. etc. etc. We need 3-5 more years of development

Ian Olsen
Ian Olsen

@army72 Yes, every possible tactic should be used in trying to keep Vanek on the team. I don't think I'm the only one who is growing tired of talented players being shuffled around Tavares (Boyes, Parenteau, Molson). They need to form a line that will develop together over many seasons.

shlo
shlo

@army72If he does not sign a contract before the dead line its a good indication that he is walking at the end of the season, lose him for nothing that's why you have to trade him.  He can name his price and get it with the Islanders.  If his heart is not here, there is nothing you an do. You try, if it works fine, if not , too bad.

erika
erika

@mitchfritz@erikaAlthough I have to admit that the pizza sounds good, it is more likely that I miss a 3 time 30+ goal scorer for a 8 month rental. Hope I am wrong!

erika
erika

@doc942Lately, I like a lot of what I see. I Tevo the games and sometimes re-watch the plays. All the "Vanek is a good defensive player" is BS. Me thinks you guys are star struck and have a man crush on him. I have rewound something like 6 killer goals against us and it was the product of a Vanek's no look pass from behind, or the fact that he just stood in the slot and did not so much as move an eyelash to stop him that led to the goal.  So far I think he is an excellent passer, and you are right, Okie and JT are putting up points because of Vanek as well as the other way around, and the first line is finally gelling nicely, good enough reason to try desperately to sign him. 

Can all of you please stop with the Erika does not like Vanek BS? ...My point is that MM is a better finisher, period, end! 

erika
erika

@dzruggie@erikaYes, I do watch the games, and yes, I do think he has a boat load of talent, and yes, I do think we need to resign him.  BUT.....I don't think we will resign him, and I DON'T think he is good defensively at all. I have about 10 games on tape and on each one there is a blatant Vanek givaway. Sorry, I did not remember seeing a play where he busted his ass to play defense, but if you can tell me the game, I will go back and watch it. As far as not liking the guy, you're wrong....I just don't like getting attached to a player that probably does not want to stay, also...I think a 7-8 mil dollar player a year should be in decent shape when the season starts, don't you?

erika
erika

@tpjm@erikaLook: Vanek and JT have deft passing skills, no doubt, but MM is the best finisher we had in a long time, and now he's gone, so yeah, I do miss him on every missed point blank shot, on every breakaway, and on every shootout! As far as playing D, see my comment to dzruggie.


army72
army72

@Richard Gauthier@army72 we're 4 years away???? I don't think Islander fans are going to wait another four years for a contender team.  If the organization has that mentality you better trade JT now then. We have one of the best players in the world on our team now and  just about to hit his prime. The organization better wake up and obtain players that can play with him. If that means trading a few  prospects then do it. Look at pitts how many home grown prospects on their team other than Crosby and Malkin. You get the franchise player and build around them and I don't mean a 10 year plan.  Not keep recycling picks and prospect  and hope one of them pans out.. They've been building since the Smyth trade enough already I want a team that contents minimum making the playoffs

grand_puba
grand_puba

@dzruggie @puckywhale Thought the same, actually saw them as the best line at times during the game when others looked a little tired.

army72
army72

@Richard Gauthier@army72 I like Garth but, he has been at the helm since 2006-2007. Other than Hamonic and recently De haan no prospects have developed. He didn't draft KO. What I'm saying is  you  built a prospect pool and use some of those prospects to build a balanced team.....a  mix of young players and  established players. If you don't add quality establish players those prospects will not develop quickly or at all. I think that's the situation we are in. The team relies too much on the young players which is too much pressure for them. Snow has drafted well but, not developing those players properly.

Derek Scheer
Derek Scheer

@shlo@army72 As much as I want us to sign Vanek I feel like he goes through the motions sometimes as opposed to JT who gives it his all every second on the ice. How can you pay Vanek more ? Trade him and get 1st round pick.

army72
army72

@shlo@army72 I understand that he's UFA at the end of the year and possibly could walk. What I'm saying is you can't trade him if we get within 4 points of a playoff spot. As NYI fan being out the playoffs for so many years I'd rather them make push for the playoffs than trade Vanek for propects and picks that won't have any impact for another 3-4 years.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@shlo @army72 I do not agree Shlo, he doesn't sing by 3/5 but hangs in, the team gets into the dance somehow and the more time he and his family become more comfortable living in LI, it is still probable they sign him.  Bottom line is this - it is about money and the Islanders will have to pony up.  His last contract was 7 for $7.1M or so - he wants a raise I am sure

tpjm
tpjm

@erika @tpjm He's scored in 10 straight games. If this is him being out of shape and not being consistent I'll take it.  Most people would.  Your expectations are what's ridiculous. You're butthurt over losing MM.  Period.  Wang has to meet a cap floor minimum increase which has nothing to do with a hotel decision.  

erika
erika

@tpjm@erikaYes, please point it out to me when he makes a decent defensive play, would love to see one! Biased?? Really?? What reason would I have to be biased if a star player is giving his all to the Isles, the only team I follow and love to death! Sorry if my writing is coming across like I don't like him, I simply think that he shows up out of shape and I'm not at all sure he will even give the Isles consideration when signing. On the flip side, I question if Wang will give him upwards of 8 mil, when they are foreclosing his Marriott property, so it does not seem like he has been making payments. I don't know....maybe now that he won't have to make hotel payments he can put some money into the team? Is that wishful thinking??

For once, I would love a star player (other than our own draft picks) to sign here and say "yes, I want to play for the Islanders, and I'm confident we can get something done! You are ridiculous in your assessment that I am biased because I don't think he will sign. I am on the fringe with him because I think he turns it on and off at will, and I guess for that kind of money, I want 100% all the time! That said, if he continues to put up points and we make the playoffs.....my love will start flowing!

tpjm
tpjm

@erika @tpjm When was the last time MM had a breakaway?  Sounds like you just don't like Vanek because you think he's going to leave.  That's biased.


I've seen tons of Vanek great plays on D. Next time it happens I'll point it out to you. But you'll probably block it out unless Vanek re-signs.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@isles23 It kind of was. Crosbys rookie year was awful. They finished last in the east and had the 2nd pick (imagine if they had taken Toews over Staal). Then they were off to the races.

isles23
isles23

@Richard. Getting Crosby as the last piece is what really did it. Imagine if isles draft order was reversed and guys that are gonna take a little longer to develop, like all the D, Strome, Nelson, and so on were taken before JT was. JT would've had an 70 point or more rookie season.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@army72 @Richard Gauthier Yes and it take 8-10 years to do a rebuild. Pittsburgh has lots of homegrown talent. Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury. They made the right moves when they were ready and got guys like Kunitz and Neal. And they're keeping it going with more guys coming up like Maata and Bennett. Don't forget, Pittsburgh was quite awful for 5-6 years and only had their rebuild accelerated because of winning a lottery.

isles23
isles23

@zee. Why do you think anyone that disagrees with you has multiple handles? Is that what you do?

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

You've asked me nothing before. We've never spoken.

How many handles do you have on this thing?

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@isles23 Hopefully that's the case! We shouldn't have to worry about that for another 3-5 years. It might get a little dicey when they have to get Strome, Okposo and Neilsson resigned in the same year. 

isles23
isles23

@army72 @ Richard. Pitt and chi started to become aggressive when they started to accumulate so much talent through their system and they knew they couldn't afford to keep it all. That is what the isles are hopefully approaching.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@Zee Executioner Dude they were consistently awful from like 1998 - 2009 with the exception of 1 season where they made the playoffs.


Point is, they drafted and developed a young core of players. Then they were able to shift a few of those players around to get guys like Sharp and Havlat.


Look at all of those signings they had. How many of them made any kind of difference? Those are the equivalent to the Islanders signing Weight, Guerin etc. The signings that started to make any kind of difference came a year or two before they won the cup. Then because they gave so damn much money to guys like Campbell and Hossa, they had to trade core guys like Byfuglien, Ladd and Niemi.


So I'll ask you this. Given the core of players we currently have, and they stage of development, do you think we are within 2 years of a cup? Also, I've asked you this before... WHO WOULD YOU HAVE SIGNED!!!!! The free agent market has been less than stellar the past few years and what stars have gone to free agency have gotten signed at inflated values or have gone to teams that they would prefer playing for for reasons outside of hockey.

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

The song I'm singing to the Beastie Boys "Brass Monkey":


Sockpuppet


Sockpuppet wuppet


Sockpuppet wuppet


Astroturfin puppets. 

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

 @Richard Gauthier @army72 @Richard Gauthier @army72  Dude, I don't know why I even bother at this point, but I cannot believe any self-respecting hockey fan doesn't call you out on your nonsense, Richard, which you've managed to spread through numerous posts. 

The Hawks finished with a good record in 2001-2002 - in fact, with the same number of points the Isles did, 96. 

They started going south in 2003 but didn't go completely young until 2004. 

But they never circumvented the salary cap like Snowang balls.

And NEVER HAD A TEAM WITHOUT VETS


For better and worse they signed UFA's such as 

Adrian Aucoin (remember?) 2006

Matthew Barnaby 2006

Jason Cullimore 2006

Martin LaPointe 2006

Nikolai Khabibulin 2006

Traded for Patrick Sharp 2006

Jaroslav Spacek 2006

Brian Boucher 2007
Peter Bondra 2007

Patrick Lalime 2007

Traded for Jason Williams 2007

Traded for Kris Versteeg 2007

Traded for Martin Havlat 2008

Yanic Perreault 2008

Brent Sopel 2008

Traded for Andrei Zyuzin 2008

Traded for Samuel Pahlsson 2009

Cristobal Huet 2009

Brian Campbell 2009

Tomas Kopecky 2010 and quintessentally....

Marian Hossa 2010

John Madden 2010

Traded for Kim Johnsson also 2010

THE HAWKS WERE ALWAYS SUPPLEMENTING THEIR YOUNG GUYS WITH VETERAN HELP. THEY ALWAYS SPENT MONEY!!!!!!


Did all of the signings work out? Not by a long shot, but they basically kept trying until it stuck in 2009. 


You're comparing this with the Wanglanders. That's a total joke. The Wanglanders are the Kansas City A's. They are NOT rebuilding. END OF STORY!!!!!

Look at the Hawks number of losing seasons (4 total). Look at the number of losing seasons by the Wanglanders (TOO MANY TO FRIGGING COUNT) 

JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@cunny @Richard Gauthier @army72 I think Dubinsky is a damn good player but I think having a 7.8M dollar cap hit for the next long while when you have guys like Ryan Callaghan, Marc Staal, Dan Girardi and Brian Boyle to resign, that is going to be very difficult.

cunny
cunny

@Richard Gauthier @army72 Rangers fan here: The Nash trade did not "set the Rangers back a few years" unless you think Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, Tim Erixon, and a late 1st round draft pick were the secret keys to the Rangers winning a Stanley Cup.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@army72 @Richard Gauthier Yeah they have been but the Hawks started rebuilding in 2001/2002 when they got Duncan Keith, Tuomo Ruutu and then Seabrook, Barker, Towes, Kane, Crawford, Byfuglien, Niemi and so on. Then by the time 2010 came around, it made sense to get Sharp and Hossa. Our team isn't anywhere close to where the Hawks were in 2010. And yes I 100% agree that the Leafs and Rangers are overpaying for inferior players. That David Clarkson deal was atrocious and the the Nash trade set the Rangers back a few years. I'm worried that by rushing this, we do what the leafs did and trade a Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton for a Phil Kessel.

army72
army72

@Richard Gauthier You don't think Pitts, Kings have been aggressive in trading. Most of Pitts players are from trades. the kings trade for Carter and Richards made them contenders and eventually wining the cup. Hawks in the past went after Hossa and Sharp. I'm not saying drafting and developing prospects isn't good but, you also have to be able to make a trade  for key players. Drafting and developing is all good but, if you don't a balance on your team with quality experience players you rely too much on your prospects and they don't develop properly. That's  why Det(past), Hawks, Pitts, Kings are successful because they find that balance. Rangers, Leafs haven't found that balance they sell the farm to get overrated players.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@Chris R @Richard Gauthier @army72 You can't do that any more with the salary cap in place. Look at the teams that have spent a lot and been aggressive in the trade market the past few years; Leafs, Flyers, Wild, Rangers, Sabres. Have any of them been close to a cup? Meanwhile, the Pens, Hawks, Kings, Ducks and Wings all steadily develop in house talent and it leads them to cups. We need to be patient and spend the money when the time is right.

puckywhale
puckywhale

@Evan M @grand_puba @dzruggie I would agree that they certainly play with plenty of energy, I don't think anyone can question that. But to say they were the best line is crazy. Numerous times they either turned the puck over , or were caught up ice leading to odd man rushes the other way. Martin in particular was caught up ice going for a big hit at the start of the 2nd leading to possibly TB best scoring chance of the night. I think Cizikas' 2-way game really covers for the rest  of lines deficiency's. I just don't think they should be out there in critical situations; ever. As evident by the way the looked in the last minute, they were lucky to not get scored on, very lucky.

Evan M
Evan M

They were definitely the most consistent line last night. When they were on the ice we were always attacking and they never gave up on the puck and were always full of energy.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@shlo @Richard Gauthier @army72 I couldn't even tell you who the staff is down there. All I know is that some of our CHL prospects are coming for great organizations. Pulock has Kelly McKrimmon coaching him in Brandon and hes a good coach. He needs to go back for another year of junior and play at the WJHC.

shlo
shlo

@Richard Gauthier@army72 I have my doubts with the coaching staff in BP. management rushing Nino and Bailey is one thing, teaching the prospects is another.

In all likelihood, Reinhardt is coming straight to the Island- Pulock impressed me and he may develop properly DESPITE the coaching staff................

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@shlo @Richard Gauthier @army72 I have no idea. I sure hope so lol. At least management seems to have learned from their mishandling of Nino and Bailey in the past and are trying to properly develop guys like Reinhardt and Pulock.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@army72 @Richard Gauthier Most of their team has come through the draft. Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Neilson, Nelson, Cizikas, Martin, Hamonic, MacDonald, DeHann, Donovan, Poulin, Strome. Problem is some of these guys just don't have enough experience yest or they were forced to step up and learn in a trial by fire type scenario which slows development down. Fortunately, we are now in the situation where we have a passable team and we can allow some of these other prospects to properly develop in the CHL and AHL. I think we do have to move one or two of these defense prospects to get some goaltending and a veteran D. However, I don't want to see the farm sold like it was in 2001 for some short term success.

jepliberty
jepliberty

@Don22@Derek Scheer@shlo@army72

Right Don, Maybe it's the same with Robbie Cano, formerly of the Yankees, they always hung a tag around him, saying he is so good, and smooth in the field he looks like he isn't even trying.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@Derek Scheer @shlo @army72 Derek he gives the perception of not moving too fast I hear you and we all, myself included take that as disinterest but it is just his style.  He explodes at certain times on both D and O and not to mention his skills

mrcisback
mrcisback

@shlo @mrcisback  Yea but who cares with all that offensive talent. The man will probably score 600 goals when its all said and done.

shlo
shlo

@mrcisback Is he horrible defensively? all I know he is a mean scoring machine. Never even bothered to look at his defensive play.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@shlo @army72 @Derek ScheerOf course everybody has watched Alex Ovechkin play. He is a very lazy player at times and is horrible defensively but the man is a great offensive player. I think i can learn to live with that also.

shlo
shlo

@army72@Derek Scheer@shloI feel the same, however as Don22 says its his style of play, he puts up points which is all we should care about , if he appears lazy,  I'll have to learn to live with it.

army72
army72

@Derek Scheer@shlo@army72 You can't compare players to JT. He is one the most talented hard working classy guys in the league. JT will get his money. Vanek is UFA that's when players make their money. Islanders need Vanek to sign. I agree he's frustrating to watch at times as he's lazy.

Don22
Don22

@Derek Scheer@shlo@army72I hear what you are saying, but him going through the motions is netting a point per game.  I think it just appears that way because of his style of play.  You can't worry about paying someone more than JT and I can almost guarantee that JT doesn't worry about that either.


Getting a number 1 pick will do nothing for this team.  They have a deep system and someone else's #1, which most likely would be a mid-level slot isn't what they need.  They need Vanek, or someone like him for the now - not 2/3 years from now.

jepliberty
jepliberty

@army72@shlo

Agree, enough with the damn prospects, I hope that is not Snows train of thought for another season of futility if Vanek doesn't sign here, prospects, out of every 10 perhaps 2 make a little mark in the NHL, the rest become journeymen players who fail because of various reasons.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@mrcisback No on the trade.  The ace the Islanders have is they can go to 8 years and UFAs can only sign for 7.  So $7.5M for 8 years - $60M is probably in the ball park.  I do not think they will go to 8 up front but is they get into June that is where they can go.  

jepliberty
jepliberty

@Don22@dzruggie@shlo@army72

If he doesn't sign here, then the purse strings must stay loosened, and an honest effort must be made to replace him with the best talent  available, or else it was all for naught.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@shlo @dzruggie @army72 That would be the nightmare scenario here.  A better center - OK Pitts, I'd take JT of Towes and who in CA - Getzlaf - close but JT is 23 and those guys are Vanek's age.  To be honest he has to know 7 years along side a younger JT is a better deal

mrcisback
mrcisback

@shlo @mrcisback  I think Sean Couturier in the right situation could become a dominate player like James Van Riemsdyk did when he was traded from Philly to Toronto. Sean Couturier reminds me of a bigger more nastier Frans Nielson. Now if thats the best offer would you take that or let Vanek walk away for nothing. Thats all i'm saying. I don't want Vanek to walk away and sign with another team in the off season and have Snow then say to himself man that was a big mistake not taking the package for vanek.

shlo
shlo

@mrcisbackI like Couturier but he is not a first line player,not an "equal" value for my money. The Islanders for whatever reason passed on Schenn at the draft, do you think they'll take him now?

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Don22 @dzruggie @shlo @army72  Say the Islanders make Vanek an offer of 55 million over 7 years just days before the March-2 trade deadline and he refuses to sign and says i want to wait until the off season to make a decision. Then say a team like Philly, just using them as an example offers Sean Couturier and Luke Schenn for Vanek and Andrew McDonald. How do you not make that deal and then make another run at Vanek in the off season.

Don22
Don22

@shlo@dzruggie@army72LOL.  Yes, things will burn here if he doesn't sign.  But personally, I can live with it if they make a legitimate offer and he just turns it down.  It will suck, but what can you do?

Don22
Don22

@dzruggie@shlo@army72I think the only way you trade him is if he flat out says he isn't going to sign here, which I don't think he would say.  

They didn't trade for him just to trade him again.  It's a big risk that they can lose him after the season, but a risk they have to take.  If they don't sign him it will suck, but they won't be any worse off than if they hadn't traded for him.  They weren't going to sign MM.  He will command too much money for the type of player that he is.

shlo
shlo

@army72@dzruggie You can live nicely on 7-8mil a year on LI and any other place . NYC is less than an hour away, this is a plus.

shlo
shlo

@dzruggie@army72  I have no  problems with your assessment,  last week I posted that I believe its 50% his wife's decision, if she wants to live on the Island its a done deal. He will not get a better center to play with unless he is in Chicago, Pitts or California -any of the teams there- do they have a cap space? not sure.

The islanders will pay his price, meet his demands, no question.  If not singed by the deadline and he walks, guess what happens on this site? fire everybody, what a scandal , everybody sucks,