Islanders receive fifth pick of draft

The Islanders will pick fifth overall in the 2014 draft in June (Staple, April 15).

The team’s head scout Trent Klatt said before the lottery that the team has not made up its mind about giving the Sabres its first-round pick this year or next year (Vogl, April 15).




408 comments
Danny Lofaro
Danny Lofaro

What about packaging maybe Nilsson or Poulin and both second rounders or the first for Gibson from Anaheim. Or possibly Poulin or Nilsson and second and third for LA's Martin both young both very promising.

snostorm
snostorm

take the pick this year. Anything other then selecting fith overall this year is throwing in the towel for next season. What kind of message will that send to the players? The last year at the coli? People saying give up the pick this year are delusional. 

truth77
truth77

@orange2327 You are right.I looked at Turgeons Hockey career numbers, wow! that Guy put up some numbers.

fourcups
fourcups

Despite Wang, Isles are close.


1st line: JT, OK, ?

2nd line: Strome, Nelson & Lee

3rd Line: Nielsen, Grabner & Clutterbuck

4th Line: Cizikis, Martin & McDonald (or a more capable NHL vet)


I put Strome with the guys he played with in Bridgeport at the end of 2013 season. Nielsen is a very good 2nd liner, but a tremendous 3rd liner. Me? I would trade Nielsen for 2 reasons. 1. You will never get more from him that you can this off season. 2. He will bring back a quality player in a trade or packaged deal. You have to give to get.


Defense


Hamonic & deHahn

? & Reinhart

Straight & the best young player in camp.


If this was a real team, with all the young defensemen, I would expect a major deal with the Isles #1 pick & Reinhart to (lets say) Edmonton for one those top 4 fwds they just drafted. Throw out the wacky Russian & that you can't get Hall but either of the other two would fit perfectly with JT. A lesser trade with the Oilers could be some of our young D for someone like Sam Gagner to go alongside JT. (Forget that the fwd you bring in is a quality center...JT made Boyes look decent. He certainly will go well with any quality fwd & vice/versa).


I left out Bailey, but he probably is still here. If so, I'd put him with JT. If he can't produce there....his case is hopeless. Some guys really like Hickey. I'm not a fan. Too small. Too easily pushed off the puck. So, either he or Carkner (ugh) are the #7.


Goal:


The Isles need TWO goalies not one. Snow wants Nabby as a 1A goalie. If that means Nabby plays 40 games, kiss the play-offs good bye. Snow must deal for a GOOD young goalie. I don't trust him to get it done but he is and will be the GM.


Biggest fear: One rumor going around is that Snow knows he is a dead man walking (if Barroway really did talk with Shanahan about being Isles President then Snow is right to think he's done here. However, the rumor further states that Snow is going to go for broke at the draft. (After the Vanek thing, other GMs must be drooling over dealing with the Isles GM). Another rumor says that Snow turned down a deal for a young starting NHL goalie because the other team wanted a package headed by Nelson & Snow refused to move Nelson.


If Snow trades off Nelson, Lee, etc it will just be another Mike Milbury moment.


I said I would trade Reinhart. I'm in the minority in not being a fan of his. I just don't see his value as that of a top 5 pick. For the right guy I'd move him. There are very few untouchables on this team. I see only three Strome, JT & deHahn. Why deHahn? Despite his injuriy history, I've seen enough to think he might be special if he stays healthy. When paired with Hamonic, Hamonic played better. When paired with a struggling Donovan, Donovan was calmer & played better. 


Near untouchables would be for me: OK, Nelson, Hamonic and Lee. Frankly this is a team where anyone can go except JT. My bet for the most likely vet to go: Grabner. Dangerous trade because he might harness his speed very soon and become a solid top line player if you move him but you have to give to get. Ask yourself what Grabner & the Isles #1 or Reinhart might bring.

Of course, this is all a pipe dream. I fully expect no major deals, signings of more Bouchards & Regins and another aging goalie. Isles are close but CHUCKY STILL OWNS THEM.


truth77
truth77

@tag1 You are right tag .I always said give the Islanders fans a winning Team and they will come back in droves .It is amazing how big there fan base is for being so horrible for so long.I got a question I have to ask.Lafontaine-Turgeon trade who you think was the better player and do you think like I do Turgeon was underated.

tag1
tag1

Looks like the Isles DOUBLED the Devils in TV ratings this season (0.36 vs 0.18) and since both teams pretty much sucked this season this would be a fair comparison not when the Devils were good and the Isles sucked, interesting how many fans fled the Devils just a few years after they went to the finals.

mrcisback
mrcisback

                                     I think if John Tavares was out the entire 2014-15 year i still don't think we would be the worst team in the league because our offense is still pretty deep. Especially with the emergence of Strome,Nelson and Lee. Remember nobody predicted Colorado and Tampa Bay would be this good. Tampa got a goaltender Bishop and went from 28th to the playoffs. Colorado finished 29th and turned it around albeit they got Mckinnen in the 2013 draft. So it can be done with a couple of moves. Not one of us have any idea how good anyone of these prospects are except what we read from so called experts who are wrong a lot more then there right. If we give this years #5 pick to Buffalo then the Islanders are telling the fans that there hoping we have a very bad year and there going to do everything possible to make sure it happens.

truth77
truth77

Any time you draft an 18 year old child ,you really do not know what you get for 3-4 years with the exceptions 1-3 picks.This could be the worse Draft or the best, kids develope at different rates.But giving the 5th pick up is not wise .The Islanders are not the best when it comes to trades ,so we do not want to go there, teams take advantage of the Islanders incompetence.Sign a goalie,keep the pick ,forget about the Vanek trade and move on,can not change what has been done..And get ready for next year with Yabba daba doo and Wangs Wacky World of Hockey.

Don22
Don22

A lot of guys here are saying give Buffalo this year's pick so we can draft next year.  Yet you will be the first to complain if they have a top 5 pick year.


You can't plan for failure, even if it seems inevitable.  As an organization you have to keep this year's pick and make sure next year doesn't turn into a top 5.  In as much as last season's team probably wasn't as good as they showed down the stretch and playoffs, this year's team isn't as bad as it showed either.

cginsc
cginsc

Dammit. Accidentally hit post. I'll try to complete my thought. Detroit has a scouting staff. Anyone worth scouting that plays too far from a Greyhound bus route will never be discovered by our crackpot scouting staff. I suggest we take a location poll of our faithful readers. Hope some are in Canada and overseas. Take some video of some good kids and email them to the NYI office. I feel our lack of a real scouting staff is just as detrimental as our lack of a coaching and development staff. So, screw the pick. It won't matter.

cginsc
cginsc

The pick decision doesn't really matter. It really won't so long as we keep watching "Charles in Charge". Hell, I'd give Scott Baio a shot at this point. Snow has to go. Cappy should not have been brought back until all other options have been thoroughly investigated. Thompson needs to go. PK is his job, and to finish the year at 29th is terrible. He should've been let go along with Cappy during the annual slide in November. We need a real coaching staff and a real scouting staff. Who we draft is irrelevant without the proper staff to teach and develop. JT is just world class and is more exception than the rule. Sure, KO caught on this year, but how much was that was due to coaching than him spending more time with JT pushing him? I think Franz started scoring more because he realized he should try to score more on his own instead of passing to those who can't finish. I know most people can't stand Bailey, but I believe a real coach can make him the offensive player we all see at the end of the season. Maybe a real coach can get him to average more than one shot a game and back check religiously. I'd hate to see him have his "turn the corner" year like KO the season we finally move him. We really need a legitimate top to bottom NHL staff.

We drafted Strome at #5 in 2011. Like the kid. I think he will be a top 6 guy for a long time after he packs on a little more muscle. Tampa Bay drafted Palat at #208 that same year. Look at how awesome he was all year. He had a better season than anyone drafted in that first round, with less experience than some like Landeskog. There are always diamonds in the rough. I doubt Detroit knew how great Datsyuk and Zetterberg would be, but

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

I categorically disagree with the notion that surrendering this year's pick to Buffalo is equivalent to surrendering next season. For one thing, if we did keep the 2014 pick, that player is not suiting up in the NHL next season, so there's no direct impact on the team's performance. 


This has to be a heady decision. If they truly believe that this past season was the apparition [tough to sell me on that one], then use the pick for the player believed to be the best fit for this team in every way possible. If they believe that there's still a ways to go [i.e. management being true to themselves], use next year's pick and complete the Vanek trade by giving this year's to Buffalo.



At the end of the day, smart teams are not parting with the 2015 pick. Only the Islanders are faced with this decision. Like I said, smart teams are no parting with next year's pick. The Rangers are not going to be a lottery team. So that's a different story. 

Steve J. Gonzalez
Steve J. Gonzalez

Giving up this year's pick is paramount to waving the white flag and sending a signal to fans and season ticketholders that next season is done before we even drop the first puck in October. Plus, there's no guarantee we're getting the first two or three picks in the lottery next season. As some of us know and have read, they're changing the draft lottery system next year to give the better teams a better chance to get a lower ick than usual. I say take our chances and grab this year's pick and worry about next season when it's all said and done. 

Robert Cole
Robert Cole

They should give, the Sabres this years pick. Next year is a better draft.

Danny Lofaro
Danny Lofaro

I agree and that makes sense because if islanders decide to keep next years it looks as if they already are giving up on the season.

jimmydev
jimmydev

@fourcups  dehaan sucks and will never be good too small to soft not enough offensive skills to offset the aforementioned weaknesses

doc942
doc942

@fourcups  Trade Nielsen and Reinhart and some of our young prospects for those "overachievers" from Edmonton?  You are trying to help this team right?

orange2327
orange2327

Turgeon was the better player imo. But after the dale hunter crime he was never quite the same.

dkdk
dkdk

It must be he Devils arena

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@mrcisback  The big difference is, McKinnon was ready to step in as an 18 year old and play top 6 minutes. None of the players available at #5 are going to be able to crack the Islanders top 6. Give the pick away because if something unfortunate happens or we can't find a goaltender who is willing to sign on July 1st then we risk giving up McDavid who is far more talented than anyone in this draft.

since72
since72

@Don22  I had entertained the idea of just giving Buffalo this pick and keeping the 2015 pick.  I want this Vanek situation behind us, but that is not a valid reason to do this.  Decisions always come down to what is the best thing to do now, regardless of how we got here.


Sure, next years draft is said to be deeper, but this is a number 5 pick!  We cannot assume that we will be drafting this high next season.  This isn't an old team that is just getting older and is on the downswing.  This is a young team that has picked up a great deal of experience this season and there is a very good chance that they will be better next season.  Anticipating another top 5 pick in 2015 is probably a losing bet.  


Buffalo cannot have this pick.



dkdk
dkdk

And we could have still had BOTH the 14 and 15 picks, as well as Moulson. Or the 14 and 15 picks and whatever we could have traded for Moulson.

And for those that will claim hindsight is 20-20 remember most of us were anti Vanek trade 20 seconds after it happened because we knew Vanek wasn't staying.

doc942
doc942

@Robert Cole  That's assuming an awful lot.  It's assuming that next years mid 1st rounders are better than this years 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th rated picks.  How would you know that?  Because you heard it somewhere?  If the Islanders are picking in the top 5 next year, that would be a colossal failure.  A bigger failure than this year.  It would take a huge loss of games by the top players or that the goalie situation hasn't improved at all.  I'm betting (not literally) that they are not in the top 5 next year.

tag1
tag1

@Scott Weinstein Not only did he do the game but he was on the Ducks bench, it could get a little confusing if your sitting behind the bench telling Butchie apart from Bruce. Would be great to have Butchie do the game from the Isles bench have him forget himself and he starts yelling at the refs like he's the coach.

fourcups
fourcups

@doc942 @fourcups 

That's not what I said. I said Nielsen has more trade value now than he ever will. I never proposed sending both to Edmonton.

I was not being specific. I was saying the Isles best trading chips are this year's #1, Reinhart and Nielsen (who they won't trade). I suggested Edmonton as a logical trading partner in that they have four quality young forwards who would excel with Taveras. Edmonton needs D and isn't going to trade any of their young kids for less than Reinhart plus. All 4 of Edmonton's young fwds are still rated higher than Reinhart.

Bottom line Isles have tons of young D. To improve they have to trade something good and Edmonton is desperate for D & has quality fwds who could play on the Isles first line. Of course, if the Isles were to get a Sam Gagner type they wouldn't give up either Reinhart or the #1 pick. All of this is moot because if you move Reinhart the Isles would have to import a solid vet D who Wang would have to pay & he won't.

If you wanted to improve the Isles for next year besides goal what would you do?

 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@doc942 @fourcups 

Reinhart is exactly what we need.  I think maybe 4cups has forgotten what a shutdown D-man can do.  Reinahrt is not  offensive gifted, but our goalie will love him.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Richard Gauthier @mrcisback   Richard 1 player McKinnen who scored 60 plus points is not the only reason why Colorado turned it around. If thats the case we might have 3 young players who will be much better next year in Strome,Lee and Nelson. You also fail to realize that we have a 23 old superstar on our team. It just sets a bad precedence by surrendering that pick this year. Read over my comments above once again please.

dv92
dv92

@mitchfritz  Agreed. Keep the pick and draft a power forward. There are few good ones that we can definitely land. I really don't think the Isles will be top 5 next year. Snow would be a complete idiot to get rid of this pick. No way we are #1 or #2 next year so forgot the two studs next year. Sign a hungry goalie and we are playoff team.

dkdk
dkdk

We have also drafted top 5 in 6 of the last 7 years. To be higher next year we will need to buck the trend and PAY for a goalie.

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@dkdk  Exactly! Oh, and what happened to the Power Play after Moulson was traded? I forgot.

Scott Weinstein
Scott Weinstein

@erika Yes, we WAS pretty good. I was expecting him to say "Well, Howie...." and he didn't. Props to Butchie.

Richard Gauthier
Richard Gauthier

@mrcisback  What if those 3 players take a step back next year? What if we have a terrible year of injuries? What if we can't get a goalie? What if we get oh so close to the playoffs and then our 1 ping pong ball comes out of that lottery machine? Then next year we're back here handing a franchise player over to the Buffalo Sabers.


You aren't telling anyone that you're going to be bad next year. You're simply looking at the depth of the draft this year vs next year and making a judgement. Plus, don't forget that the rules of the draft lottery have changed. Even if the Islanders finished 1 point out of a playoff spot, they could potentially get the #1 pick. Also, don't forget that we have no 2nd rounder next year as well.

isles23
isles23

@Mitch. You just completely summed up how I feel.

doc942
doc942

@mitchfritz @doc942  I have similar feelings.  I will often go overboard on the optimism just to be contrarian.  It's obviously not all that good with the present situation... but I do like a lot of the "potential". 

dkdk
dkdk

I agree don, but also to the point since 72 made is a little off base in my opinion. If every season was a redraft than past results wouldn't factor in as much. But seriously taking fandom out of the equation if you had to gamble on one of the two making the playoffs next year would you choose the Wings or isles? I would take the wings because they do it every year. The islanders do it a couple of times a decade. So past results definitely play a role in predicting the future.

Who has a better chance at winning a World Series, the Yankees or Cubs?

Don22
Don22

@dkdk  I agree.  And like I said earlier, it may be inevitable that next season is a failure, especially if they don't address AT LEAST the goalie situation.  But as an organization, you can't plan for next year to be a failure.  You can't admit defeat before a season even starts.  

dkdk
dkdk

Yes we shall see. Who knows if there is any carryover from these games to early next year when there is legit pressure. This isn't the first time we saw a hot end of year run hat led to another 0 for November the next year.

since72
since72

@dkdk  Our young players have gained experience.  Nelson,  deHaan, Lee, and Strome have NHL games behind them and look to be good NHL players.  Management has not changed and I wish it had.  But as I said above, this is not an old team getting worse, it is a young team getting better.


We'll see what happens.  

dkdk
dkdk

It may not be but trends usually get to be trends for a reason. And the 3 biggest components are wang not spending, snow running the show, and Cappy behind the bench. What has changed?

since72
since72

@dkdk  I knew one of you would say this.  Thank you DK for not disappointing.  Past performance is no guarantee of future results.  But I agree, we need a goalie.

dkdk
dkdk

It shyt the bed similar to the argument that the Corsi crew made that said "if vanek accepted the trade, it was a no brainer he would stay."

tag1
tag1

@orange2327 At least somebody from the Isles organization made the playoffs.

tag1
tag1

@Scott Weinstein When McGuire did the Pens/Isles last season playoffs he was on the Isles bench because there is no room between the benches at the Coliseum so Butchie would have to be behind the bench at the Coliseum.

orange2327
orange2327

He should wear that old classic helmet between the benches. Would love to see the reactions