It’ll Be Tough to Trade Boyle After Wednesday

Kevin Schultz

This summer Garth Snow has traded for the rights to two UFAs-to-be in the hopes of getting exclusive negotiations with them before they hit the market on July 1. With Jaro Halak, it worked, and now the Islanders have a brand new starting goalie. In the case of Dan Boyle, it didn’t, as Boyle will pursue other options and never quite seemed interested in talking to the Islanders at all.

It’s no secret that Snow is trying to flip Boyle to another team who may want an exclusive negotiating period with the defenseman, but actually doing that is going to get a lot harder next week. 

Free agency doesn’t begin until July 1, but next Wednesday — June 25 — teams will be allowed to talk to free agents to be. Yes, they’ll get to discuss general parameters of a deal, basically testing the waters. That kind of makes me wonder why they don’t just move free agent day up in the calendar, but I guess it’d be too close to the end of the season and has to go through the union, etc, etc. Anyway…

Here’s Nino Niederreiter’s #1 fan the Star Tribune’s, Michael Russo with the story. The NHL sent a memo to teams on Wednesday to clarify the rules of this special interview period:

“Please be advised that clubs are permitted to discuss the potential interest in as well as general parameters of a potential future contractual relationship with another club’s pending RFA or UFA during the applicable interview periods. The clubs may not enter any agreements or make any binding offers, promises, … oral or written concerning the terms of a potential SPC (standard players contract) with another club’s pending RFA or UFA.”

So in other words, teams and agents can now discuss the general parameters of a deal, as in, “I’ll be looking for a seven-year deal at around $5 million annually,” etc., meaning now players and agents at least know where each other is at heading into July 1 and know who’s in the game and who isn’t.

So, if a GM isn’t sure what Boyle feels like regarding his team, he can either deal for him now or wait until Wednesday when he can give him a call and find out. There may not be a return for Boyle out there if a potential trade partner decides they can wait a few days (although some NHL GMs are bad at self control sometimes).

Of course, if a team wants to actually be able to sign a deal they have to wait until July 1. That was the whole point of the Islanders trading for Boyle and Halak, to get them to the table and (maybe) offer them a deal they couldn’t pass up. But in terms of flipping their rights, we may be beyond the point where that’s feasible.




267 comments
tomba
tomba

You sure? Maybe he got back with his girlfriend and he'll give 50% on the ice.......Ha

jepliberty
jepliberty

I agree, Bailey Sucks, If there is no improvement in his play this year then he HAS to be moved, his time for trials is over.

puckdad99
puckdad99

The title of this article is kinda obvious, isn't it?

j_spikett
j_spikett

i think the best and only good trade milbury ever made was trading pallfy to the kings for ollie jokininen,matthew biron and a 1st round pick but then he traded away ollie and luongo to the panthers for parrish and kvasha one of the worse trades ever.

j_spikett
j_spikett

i don't not think the sale is imminent. wang sees how the clippers sold for 2 billion. he figures if he holds the team another 5-10 years it will be worth a lot more. with this great deal he has now he is guaranteed to make money no matter how many fans he puts in. i do not think he is going to sell the team. and no one will buy the team without gaining operating control. these stories i hear about wang insisting that snow be the GM are pure nonsense. that is telling me these are just stories and no sale is in the works. 

j_spikett
j_spikett

milbury came up with a funny line during the playoffs. as bad as a GM that he was he is an interesting fellow. he said the best break the islanders have had in the last 10 -15 years was when vanek turned down the 50 million dollar contract offer.

dinbigd
dinbigd

Here's the stats I go by wins ,losses , pts , final standings.

mrcisback
mrcisback

This week and the up coming draft should be very interesting for the Islanders and Garth Snow. Either he'll gain some respectability back with some good moves or lose what little support he has right now.

isles23
isles23

Just read an interesting article saying the Bailey-frans-grabner line was one of the best in the league in their own zone. Now this used advanced stats so I know many will dismiss it right away but it does show what I have thought. Bailey may not be the offensive force he was supposed to be but he can still be an effective and helpful player. And just an FYI, I don't use advanced stats as an end all be all. Its just a way to get more info and the more you know...

Don22
Don22

@j_spikett Sending Pallfy and Smolinksi for Jokinen, Biron and a 1st (Taylor Pyatt) was a good trade?  Maybe you were just being sarcastic?

sparkey
sparkey

@j_spikett Remember that day driving back from the Hamptons thinking I was going to get good news from draft day and BAM,  Another stepping stone to nowhere from Milbury. He did more for other teams than his own.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@j_spikett

Charles Dolan is not about to repeat the mistake that was made when Fox Sports New York gave John Pickett the keys to the vault in 1982.  Having purchased Fox Sports, Dolan was on the hook to pay the Islanders an astronomical sum of money until the 2030-31 season.  The figure started at $18 million per season and culminates at $36 million in 2031.  And that is after Dolan negotiated out of the 18.5% clause that would have paid Wang even more.  That is most likely the primary reason Wang has the value of the team above $400 million.  That's just about what Dolan owes him...

The fact that the deal ends in 2031 is why I think Wang about ready to sell.  I just do not see that kind of a television deal materializing after this one expires.  The value of the Islanders will never be higher than it is right now... 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@j_spikett


Biggest break, winning lottery-> JT

Another one, not considered by many yet, Pokka.  Evidently Collburg was Snows guy, but thank god he had to pick Pokka.  I think Pokka is #5 on the rebuild prospect list, since 2008:

JT, Reinhart, Brock, Pokka then Strome.  ( I put more stock into "likeliness to succeed" than most)

chrisredux
chrisredux

@mrcisback i don't expect anything radical..i never do with snow..it will be the same ho hum draft

dinbigd
dinbigd

@isles23 Just curious. Where did LA & Rags 2cnd liners rank on this list?

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@isles23 Bailey is not good anywhere! Holy hell! Will the Islanders ever stop defending this guy?!

dkdk
dkdk

Better than selling him to,the rags which is what would have happened in the league didn't step in.

hoverlow
hoverlow

You never know. By 2031 if the isles actually put a true nhl team on the ice, hired a true gm/coach and consistently made the playoffs that tv deal could easily be worth more.

islesfan77
islesfan77

@REDSpointofview  Could it also be (and I am not saying this to argue with you) that once the income streams begin from Barclay''s the Islanders will be worth more?

j_spikett
j_spikett

@chrisredux @mrcisback no nothing will change with the results next year either=botton five. buffalo is sure building themselves a great young team. they have 3 first rounders next year as well as 2 seconds and have a bunch of draft picks this year and last. they will have a great team in the near future and will finish ahead of barph snow next year in my opinion.

isles23
isles23

Dindigd. It actually broke it down team by team. Didn't read about other teams. The article was about how effectively teams use their players. Oddly enough we had one of the best offensive lines and defensive. Problem was goaltending along Amac and Strait comprising one of the worst d pairings in the league.

isles23
isles23

Wasn't written by the isles Jason. And the entire league uses these stats so don't tell me they mean nothing.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@islesfan77 @REDSpointofview

That is entirely possible but,,, if the income streams go up, I would make the assumption Wang goes up with the price, too...  And that 2031 date is still there.  The date when the big cable deal turns into a pumpkin.  Thats when the whole process of negotiating television rights starts all over again.  I just don't believe this product, as it looks right now, garners that same kind of return.  Should the team start to win, making multiple playoffs runs with a chance at a cup, that future television deal changes...

shlo
shlo

@orange2327 I am sure he is trying, finding someone to dance with is a different story. Don't forget he is also worried about you may post here, so he is being careful.

dkdk
dkdk

In terms of hockey analytics there was a THN article where the devils came in 4th overall. Stats tell something, far from everything.

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@isles23 They do. The guy sucks. He's useless everywhere on the ice. He doesn't work hard, he has no skill. And fine, it's a line stat. If we want to get all hot and bothered over that, Bailey's riding the coattails at absolute best. He offers nothing to this team!

isles23
isles23

I'm not saying they tell everything, read my initial post. I just use it as more info. I use my eyes first then stats second. But if my eyes tell me that bailey is solid on the defensive end and the numbers agree with me then guess what I'm going to think.

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

Your comment about Bailey not having any skill is just plain ignorant!

isles23
isles23

You are so hypocritical. You rip the isles for not doing things the way the rest of the league does but if I or they use numbers the entire league uses they are stupid and mean nothing.

dkdk
dkdk

And my eyes tell me I don't want a guy getting 37 points per year on the 2nd line and 2nd pp

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

@Jeff Roland Individual player skills, you're probably not far off with your thought. I'd say top 5 on the Islanders.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Isleguy27 Isleguy people don't seem to realize that out of the entire 2008 NHL draft only 5 other players have more points then Bailey which is hard to believe. I'm also very disappointed with Bailey because he plays with no heart. But keep in mind i'm sure 25 other teams who had a 1st round pick in 2008 are also very disappointed with their picks. The bottom line is the 2008 draft was just a terrible draft through out.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Isleguy27


Bailey has skill, but his skill set is not what the Islanders need.  I REALLY want to move him if he could be part of a package, or part of a deal for another young player who might need a change of scenery.  

willymayshays
willymayshays

@isles23


Sorry man, as much as I'd love to be upbeat, Bailey is TERRIBLE.  Frans and Grabner are the 2 best defensive forwards on the team, so of course that line would look good.  

Bailey is OK defensively, but if you're going to say he's good defensively, it would be in comparison to his offensive game.  Josh can't even play the PK.

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@isles23 I don't understand how that's hypocritical. Regardless of who wrote an article or who presented stats, Josh Bailey is still a horrible hockey player.

isles23
isles23

Yet again read what I said. I don't believe he will be a point producer so why would I think he's a top six forward? And as far as Moulson I never once knocked him. I say what I see in all our players. Moulson is poor in the d zone but is top flight around the net. He's a good player but you guys act like he's god.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Isleguy27 @Jeff Roland


You can have skill and still be unable to use it, or "put it all together"  I think it's important to recognize a point where moving on is important.  

Right now Bailey could net a similar player, who may just need a change in scenery, or atleast has some skills that are more use full to this team.  The last (LAST) thing this team needs is a avg 3rd line center.

Another yr like last yr and you can't give him away.  time to cut loose is now, IMO.  

islesfan77
islesfan77

@mrcisback I think Bailey has a lot of skill. I think he is probably the second or third best stick handler on the team. I always thought his problem was a lack of confidence. However, I am starting to see that maybe he is playing with no heart and not working hard enough. I need another season to judge. If that is the case, then I am all for getting rid of him, but right now, I think it is indecisiveness due to lack of confidence.

isles23
isles23

Orange. Josh is the smartest positional player on the team. The reason he takes so much heat, and believe me I know he deserves a lot of it, is you notice the bad plays he makes but you don't notice the good ones. Like I said to start, he's not a top six guy and he can be to soft but he is one of the teams best defensive forwards. As to why he isn't on the PK, we seem to like speed there and grabs, frans, Cal, and Nelson have more. IMO the best he has ever looked is when he was killing penalties two years ago during the playoff run. He had a few shorties if I remember correctly as well.

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

@orange2327 You're hilarious orange! You "LIke" willymayshays response to me in which he states that "Bailey has skill" and then you want me to explain what he is skilled in? If you liked willymayshays comment, you must agree that Bailey has skill...no? You're funny man...keep it up.

isles23
isles23

Willy. Looking at the numbers further he is behind Frans but ahead of Grabner. I don't think you form one of the top rated defensive lines in the league with a weak link. Just look at our top line. JT and KO alone form a solid first line regardless of their LW. Put a legit LW and they form one of the best.

isles23
isles23

Let me say it again. The ENTIRE league uses advanced stats. You are saying the stats mean nothing. Do the math, you are saying the league knows nothing. And the final piece, how many times have you ripped the isles for not being like the rest of the league. Bailey being terrible is your opinion. My eyes tell me he is good in the d zone and the numbers agree with me. Yes me makes some soft plays but more often than not he is in the right position and positioning is the most underrated aspect in the game.

dkdk
dkdk

Excellent point, Moulson produced and busted it here and then got shown the door. Bailey does neither and got a nice extension.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@isles23

Bailey was good defensively around the blue line.  taking the puck away before the team can get on sides, but he often gave the puck up in the same area on the other side of the ice literally 2 seconds later.  


I was 100% in on Bailey, he was brought up too quick but I always thought he could turn into a decent player.  BUT  watching him play as soft as he did, it just got to me.  Can't stand that kind of hockey.   I really can't stand soft, passive hockey players in general.  AND I don't mean just physically.  I'm talking about being aggressive and making the most out of every opportunity instead of the dear in the headlights.  

dkdk
dkdk

Moulson isn't God, but he produced and worked very hard and was proud to be an Islander. Now we hear so many instances from those that defend snow, "it is so hard to get guys to come here" then you write off a guy who loved it here like he was Jason Krog. If people truly believe how hard it is to get guys here signing Moulson is that much more logical.

You know who didn't think getting guys to sign here was that hard? Neil Smith.

dkdk
dkdk

27 .... Because orange still expects a shot at winning and knows the owner and GM are clueless

isles23
isles23

Orange, hence why I said he deserves a lot of heat.

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

@orange2327 There you go...calling me names. Very mature. I challenge you to find one post where I come to the defence of Charles Wang. Just one. Are you by chance paid by James L Dolan to come here and make life miserable for the TRUE Islander hockey fans? LOL

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

@orange2327 I post negative things? WOW! For the record, there is nothing stated on this blog that I am obligated to answer anyone's questions. I believe that Josh Bailey has a tremendous amount of individual hockey skill and you believe otherwise. If you can't handle some mockery, I suggest you find a different blog. You know how to dish it out, but it sounds like you don't know how to take it.

dkdk
dkdk

In most years under wangsnow garbage time is any game after Christmas .... But you have no right to point that out orange. And certainly you can't be upset by it. And keep paying almost top third of the league prices for the salary floor circumvention.

dkdk
dkdk

Yep orange, you know that plumbing rule, SHYT rolls downhill. I didn't get down to Cappy yet.

dkdk
dkdk

That's why wang doesn't like us, the price is too high.

Question how are we different than all of you guys with isles tags with numbers attached to it agreeing with each other? I have no issue with who you agree with on this board. Why do you concern yourself with me and orange?

dkdk
dkdk

And you know orange, I don't even care if he stays on the team, but make him own his damn stripes. Put him on the 3rd or 4th line and if he produces he moves up. The fact he never gets bumped out of the top 6 is a problem. And the fact some want to reward him with a spot next to JT is as well. Maybe he would produce there, most would, but I am not in for rewarding a guy who barely shows any effort.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@orange2327 Pathetic is more of a word i'd use to describe Bailey's play last year.To me Josh Bailey is the most frustrating hockey player that i've ever watched in my life. I know he has talent but i just don't know what his problem is. As long as he's still an Islander come the beginning of the season i hope he does some soul searching during the summer and comes in with a better attitude.

dkdk
dkdk

MrC .... I agree we had a lot of talented guys that never produced for whatever reason like Kvasha, Isbister, Comeau, etcand all were run out of town. Yet Bailey keeps getting more and more rope. At this point I am not even talking production I simply want effort.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dkdk DK your right. I was hoping Bailey could turn into a 50 point player but my patience is just about run out with him. I guess there hoping Bailey will wake up and have a break out season like Frans Nielson did this year. I guess it could be worse because i was hoping the Islanders would pick Filatov at the 2008 draft. 

dkdk
dkdk

I was hoping for Colin Wilson, so that isn't much better. Simply because of size more than anything. But that wound up being a pretty terrible draft class.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dkdk When the Islanders traded back the 1st time to #7 spot i was hoping for Colin Wilson also. When they traded back the 2nd time to #9 i was hoping for Cody Hodgson. Josh Bailey wasn't even on my radar. He was rated around 14th.

dkdk
dkdk

Mrc ..... Right I forgot about hodges on also. I was at the draft party that night with a copy of THN and when Bailey was announced I had to go find him, he wasn't on my radar nor was anywhere near there top 10. At least Wilson has size and is a good face off man.