Rangers 2, Islanders 1: Isles Fall to Rangers in Yankee Stadium Showdown

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Christian Arnold, Islanders Point Blank:

BRONX, N.Y. — In the baseball mecca that is Yankee Stadium, the Islanders missed the chance to get two big points in the standings against the New York Rangers.

“You could tell the [Rangers] had a little bit more experience within the first period,” Matt Martin said. “They were chipping a lot of pucks out of the zone. Kind of letting the puck do the work. It’s not the reason we lost the game tonight. They had to play on the same ice as we did.”

A slow first period gave way to a more back-and-fourth second period that saw the Islanders outshoot the Blue Shirts 15-14. In the first, the Isles outshot the Rangers 10-6, but both teams struggled to hit the net.

The Islanders  eventually took a 1-0 lead late in the second.

Brock Nelson was on the receiving end of some great passing by the Isles and scored on Henrik Lunqvist at 18:33 of the second. But 40 seconds after the Islanders scored, the Rangers answered right back. Benoit Pouliot put a rebound shot past Evgeni Nabokov.

Dan Carcillo played hero for the Rangers, 4:36 in the third. The Islanders turned the puck over in the neutral zone and Carcill scored on the ensuing rush,

“Obviously it’s a tough one to give up,” John Tavares said about the Ranger go-ahead goal. “We got to do a better job out there on our shift. Gaining momentum like that, especially how well we played to get that first goal.  We have to be a little harder on pucks… That’s whats been our achilles heel at times this year.”

The Islanders are still seven points back of a playoff spot and are looking to enter the Olympic break on a positive note. They’ve now dropped their last four games with four contests left before the two-week vacation.

They take on the Rangers again on Friday at the Garden.

138 comments
TonyM
TonyM

                    All decisions from this point on should be made for the future, the playoffs are out of the question this year! The point total is not insurmountable but the amount of teams between the Isles and the 8th seed are too great. The incompetent Snow must realize that Grabner, Bailey and Clutterbuck are not top six forwards. If Vanek doesnt resign by the Olympic break, move him. Trade Amac now! Ben Scrivens made 59 saves in a shutout last night! I guess a third round pick was too much to give up for the Isles to take a shot with him! After the break bring up both Strome and Lee and give both a shot on the second line if Vanek stays. If Vanek is gone, move Strome to wing on the top line for the rest of the season! Time to experiment and see who fits where.

mrcisback
mrcisback

    I just read that Thomas Vanek is going to let the Islanders know real soon about his decision to stay with the Islanders or test free agency. Garth Snow is gauging Vaneks value right now around the league. Maybe an offer was made already and Vanek is thinking it over. If Vanek tells the Islanders that he wants to test free agency then i would trade him ASAP. With the Islanders luck they'll wait to trade him to the last possible moment and he'll get injured. I don't want a player on the Islanders who doesn't want to be here.

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

To those who keep saying wait until the next wave of prospects lead us to more success...You cannot win in the NHL relying on overhyped new wave of prospects every 2 years, especially on Defense.

cournoyer
cournoyer

Columbus turned around in two years. Here we are six years later playing out the string


erika
erika

Really disappointed in the outcome. I just think this team is not strong on the puck. This laid back defensive system that Capi plays is not right for this team. We will never win a 1-0, or 2-1 game, instead, the only shot we have is to score more goals than the other team. When we get into a defensive masterbation session, we lose! Sad that a team with JT, Vanek, and a very improved Okposso is in last place. Does Garth mind addressing the fans and perhaps explaining some of his past decisions and future plans? The Status Quo is not cutting it, yet I really believe that a few SMART moves would and could change everything! 

dagr33k
dagr33k

This morning I read a tweet from Vaneks agent that Vanek is considering staying with the Isles. So if this is true why don't the idiot Snowballs offer Vanek 6yrs 42mil and get the media to put some pressure on Vanek. This way we will know if both sides are serious or just jerkin our chain!

since72
since72

Very frustrating week. Had they won close games vs Pha, StL and NYR, those 5 points would make a world of difference in the standings. But this is the problem all season. Play well and don't get the points. We score 4 and give up 5. We hold the opposition to 2 and score 1.

They are not that far away from being a good team.

As many have said here, I believe ownership to be the issue. If they have no intention of paying Vanek and move him, there is no reason to believe that a high end goalie will be signed either. If Mr. Wang likes owning this team, he has the power to transform a mediocre team into a contender with those 2 moves. But if he doesn't, then it is clear that nothing will ever change and all the nay sayers on this blog have been right all along.

Many of us have been patient for years now. Snow and Cappy have made their share of mistakes, but who doesn't? This season is probably done, but Mr. Wang has to decide if he wants to invest in his investment any further. The excuse of "no free agents will sign here, we have tried!" is done. Vanek will sign if you pay him, he has given every indication that this is true. A number 1 goalie is doable next season, if you pay him. The team can win and get the extra revenue from playoff games. Maybe even advance a round or two. But if our owner does nothing, then nothing will change.

John Falcone
John Falcone

We had to come out of the last 4 games with at least 4 pts to keep up the playoff push.  26 games left. and we're at 50 pts.  They might as well either sign Vanek or trade him, along with Viz, Amac, Bailey and Nabby.  This year's a bust, mostly due to injuries sustained early on to Viz and Nabby; that doesn't happen, and we would have won a several games during our annual November slide, and be in a better situation now.  

Geoffrey Mann
Geoffrey Mann

Naby was the only Isle that showed up last night, well other than the Ice Girls, who were terrific.  Thank you ladies!!!  While the ice was terrible, it was terrible for both teams...great night...terrible ending.  Isles score first then IMMEDIATELY give it up on the other end.  If Josh Bailey wants to be a spectator then let him buy a ticket just like the rest of us...to bad KO missed the opened net at the end...would have been great if it went to OT, but then these are the Islanders, so I really didn't expect heroics on their part.  It was amazing to be at the Stadium...I don't know what the attendance was, but it was extraordinary.  Enough with the excuses Jack, either you don't have this team, or you must do something and show you do...Wang and Snow just too mum for this lifetime Isles fan.  To many players need to be released, we all know who they are...right now this is truly a 1 line team, with a terrific aging goalie.  

camb33
camb33

CeeLo Green was actually a great pick for last night game-symbolizes the "fat lady singing"

cyber16382
cyber16382

I was down on this team and its owner/management for a long time. Last year they finally won me over and I'm a believer in the rebuild even though it's taking way longer than it should. After living through the Mike Milbury error Snow looks like a genius. As I look at the team I'm energized when I see all the young guys finally getting up with the big club. DeHaan really surprised me with how well he's playing. I thought he was going to be a bust.


But having said all that I do see some trouble signs. First a few years back Snow used two fairly high picks for goalies that don't seem to be in their future plans. Also Bailey and AMac who I thought were great last year and  had finally matured  seem to have regressed and now I wonder if they are worth keeping.  Then there is the Vanek trade which makes no sense to me and I think this will come back to haunt the Isles. 


In my opinion I think next year is a very key year for the team. Snow needs to show he has the skills to get this team back into the playoffs. After all these years of rebuilding they really have to get into the playoffs next year (I've already written this year off) or Snow has to be considered a failure. How many years can you rebuild for? This team really needs to get tougher. AMac, Visnovsky, Bailey, Vanek, and Hickey among others all seem to get knocked off the puck or out muscled too easily.


I would also love to hear what others think of AMac. For years I thought he truly sucked with his constant poke checking and soft defense. But in last year's playoffs he won me over. and his plus/minus was always good. Now this year he seems to suck again.

Don22
Don22

@mrcisbackI know how you feel, but that's a very unrealistic way of thinking.  If he feels he wants to try and see what he can get on the open market, how can you begrudge him?  Most players - especially UFAs go where the money is.  They might say the right things that "this is the place I wanted to be", but most go where they can get the best contract.  

If they give him a contract that is well above everyone else and he accepts it, does that mean he "wants to be here"?  Sure - but more truthfully it would be - the money you are paying me makes me want to be here more than somewhere else.  



tag1
tag1

@mrcisback Right off the top of my head the Kings could use some scoring.

orange2327
orange2327

What media?? Wangs legacy is no one cares about the isles!! Outside of Newsday no media outlet gives the isles any coverage!! Isles articles can be found above ads for dipilitory cream and hemerroid ointment!!

Don22
Don22

@dagr33kThey might get away with (an average) of 7 per year if they offer him 8 years.  Otherwise I think he is going to command closer to 7.5 - 8 per year on the open market.

phishstyx1
phishstyx1

@dagr33k if he's not signed by the trade deadline trade him. please don't break the bank for this guy. He won't be worth it IMO

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@since72we have to rely on Snow being good enough to convince people to play here, which is has proven he cannot do, we need a new GM...and I am not a fan of Wang, but he did give Snow money this summer and look who Snow brought in or re-signed and the amount of $$$ wasted on them while not addressing any needs.

isles23
isles23

Guess you weren't at the game cause he practically got booed off the stage

erika
erika

@cyber16382I like your post, we feel similarly about our team. AMAC is a smart player, but he is just not tough enough to do his job, which is to defend. Same with Hickey, I love his heart, and if he were 6'2 instead of 5'7, he would have been top 5 in the draft, but alas, none of this is true. So while they both have a purpose, we are not winning the cup with them as a top pairing. AMAC is not worth 5 mil, no way, no how, but if he wants to sign for something decent, I would keep him. As far as Bailey, what can I say? I was always an advocate of him. I really do think he has good raw talent, but for whatever reason, I think he has a mental block. Perhaps some therapy? The kid gets to the front of the net....freezes...then gives the puck away! Last year's playoffs he was awesome, so what do we do with him? Well, might as well hold on, since we are getting 0 in return! 

When I watch games, I am alarmed because we are usually so much smaller than the other team, and even though it seems like we give it our all, we still get out muscled. I don't mean for Garth to go out and get goons who cannot play, but our defense is the tiniest in the league...and we are in last place in the division...with JT and Vanek in our lineup. Why? Because Snow did not address what needed to be addressed for the past 2 years. I agree with the Vanek trade, I was , and am afraid that will set us back. Let's face it, Garth has never won a negotiating tactic, why does anyone think he will start now? He is shrewd when picking up other team's cast-offs because they are cheep, but in order to win a cup a bare bones budget ain't going to cut it!

And lastly, I don't think the coaches are using the right system for this team, I just don't. I watched the Rags just skate the puck out of our zone without an Islander within a mile of him...disgusting! All the Rags had to do was block the blue-line and it was 99.9 percent that the Isles would not retrieve the puck! 

NEW COACH...or at least a revised system

2 BIG Body Checking D-men.

#1 goaltender

This IS and HAS been what we NEED to compete.

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@cyber16382Through this entire rebuild which this was supposed to be the Snow make it or break it year, and we have to sit through another rebuild year next year....our 2nd best player was drafted by....NEIL SMITH....thats how good our rebuild has been...and now lots of crappy players locked up with Wang $$$ that Snow couldve spent better on real NHL players....now he is going to end up dealing Vanek for nothing...Amac is a turnover machine...and even when he was considered good...he was drafted by Neil Smith too...what does this say about Snows rebuild? I know I know kool aiders out there, wait for the NEXT wave of prospects this wave will finally be the real deal right? LOL

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Don22 @mrcisback  Its a very low percentage of players who get traded in their walk year to another team actually sign with that team. I think its 50/50 that he signs with the Islanders. If he tells the Islanders that he wants to test free agency then i would make the best possible deal with another team and trade him away. Then in the off season i would make another attempt to sign him. We just can't hold onto him past the trade deadline and hope he signs with the islanders in the off season. That didn't work to well with Ryan Smyth.

since72
since72

@David Rosenthal @since72 David,  apparently Snow has sold it based upon Vanek's comments.  Mr. Wang signs the checks and is, by all accounts, involved in the decision making.  They have the ability to make the 2 moves that I pointed out.  Vanek has said, "I like it here".  He can be signed for the right money.  Blaming Snow because the owner approves only offering Vanek a below market contract is just not fair to Snow. 

tag1
tag1

@isles23He's being sarcastic matt, he really doesn't think he was a good pick, the"fat lady singing" symbolizing the end of the Isles season. 

Jeff Roland
Jeff Roland

ummm, hickey was the 4th overall pick in his draft. so there's that

wvAL
wvAL

I also agree about a new coach. Way overdue. These kids on the team need someone they can look up to and respect. Someone that's been there and done that. Someone that can give an 'Identity ' to the NYI. A system and team philosophy. Someone that insists on accountability with consequences. I know it's easy to say all these things but these young guys need a mentor not a substitute teacher. One name I could think of would be Bryan Trottier, who has some experience behind the bench.

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@erika@cyber16382Garth has never won a negotiating tactic...SPOT ON, great post erika...he is not a capable GM, we are in last place (again) in Year 8 of rebuild waiting another 2-3 years for our next wave of prospects to (maybe) be the real deal.

Don22
Don22

@mrcisback You make a good point, but also - most of those UFAs that were traded were done at the deadline and didn't have about 7 months to play with the team.  

I hate to say it, but I think they need to gamble that he will sign and throw the sink at him.  I agree with Orange that if he gets traded at the deadline, I think that lessens the chance he will sign with the Isles.  Unless there is an unwritten agreement - but I don't know how often (if ever) that really happens.

orange2327
orange2327

Absolutely no way he will sign here if he's traded by the deadline!!!

Don22
Don22

@David Rosenthal@since72David - what sports talent agency do you work for? 

Since when are contract talks made public?  You have no idea what is going on.  I'm not saying Vanek is signing, but you have to be encouraged by some of the quotes that have come out the last few days. 

since72
since72

@David Rosenthal @since72 Hey, we're on the same side and liked the back and forth.  The reason Neil Smith left was because he didn't have free reign to do what he thought was right.  Wang said that this isn't the way we do things around here.  Smith left.  I don't think anything happens without Mr. Wang's OK.

since72
since72

@David Rosenthal @since72 Well, that was the point of my original post.  I am beginning to believe that only a below market contract would be offered to Vanek and he will be moved.  No top goalie will be signed either.  And for that, I blame the owner as, once again, Snow does not write the checks.

The answer to my question would be that those moves that I mentioned would make the Isles a playoff team and perhaps see them advance a round or two.  But as I say, this is the choice Mr. Wang must make.

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@since72@David Rosenthal None of that is going to happen, and reinhart maybe makes team next year and is maybe good by 2nd year, thats year 9 & 10 of rebuild, we have been patient enough...too many maybes in a long rebuild...lets hear Snow offer something to Vanek to see where they stand..instead we will  hear vague references and then Vanek will leave.

since72
since72

@David Rosenthal  That is the classic rant that we read on this blog.

Let me ask you this question: Should Vanek be signed and either Hiller or Halak be signed in the off season, where would you projest the Isles to finish next season? Assume Regin and Amac are replaced by Strome and Reinhart.

The signings are up to Mr. Wang, but should they happen, hold Snow entirely accountable for the result.

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@since72@David Rosenthal Did Wang stop Snow from spending on clutterbuck hamonic bailey carkner hickey regin bouchard amac ...lots of Wangs money wasted in that group that couldve easily gone to 2 veteran dmen and a second goalie. Yes I believe Snow is lazy and a bser, I hate Wang, but Snow is terrible. Again our #2 best player was drafted by Neil Smith, this is year 8 of rebuild, we have nothing to show for it...and Neil Smith publicly debunked Garths "its the bldg" BS when he said he had no trouble signing FA's in his 1 month as GM...back in 06, no JT no new arena as backdrop...Garth has not won 1 negotiation with real NHL FA's yet in 8 years....Nino for a 4th liner...great trade, MM/picks/killing clubhouse trade for out of shape Vanek....and now with Vanek producing hell have to dump him and I bet gets nothing good in return...this is all stuff Wang signed off on too..Wang is clueless. Snow is the GM and has been terrible...did wang force snow to draft all those busts over the years? we are in last place AGAIN.

since72
since72

@David Rosenthal @since72 You keep saying "Snow" as if it is completely up to him!  Wang writes the checks.  No contract of that magnitude is done without Wang's approval. Do you think that Wang told Snow "do what you need to do to sign him" and Snow would be sitting on it?  Come on, man! 

Regarding Smyth, I have no knowledge of what he was offered or not offered.  I understood that situation to be that the player simply didn't want to be here.  Nothing you can do.

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@since72@David RosenthalIf Garth sold it, Vanek would be signed or at least either side would publicly state a contract was offered, they have not been offered anything, Snow should at least show he is trying to keep him here with actual figures 6 yrs 42 mil, or something, show the fans that if Vanek leaves it bec of only $$$ not because we didnt try to keep him...all this BS is like when Smyth was here, Garth was going to offer  him the world...until he didnt offer him anything...then he left on July 1st.

isles23
isles23

No but your missing my point. If he was there he doesn't make a comment like that. Ceelo was basically making fun of the islanders fans there, so much so even the rangers fans in my section were saying "what the hell is wrong with this guy". I know he was making fun of Ceelo but he wouldn't have made fun of the isles too using Ceelo as the part of it if he saw what he did.

tag1
tag1

@isles23 He didn't need to be at the game to make the comment he made.

isles23
isles23

I got that, but somehow I doubt he was at the game...

wangbegone
wangbegone

Of course, this team needs a new coach - and a new GM to hire the new coach, a revamped and expanded scouting staff, & a revamped and expanded player development staff.

And when there are SO many needs and upgrades needed in management, it actually obfuscates the real issue to focus on just one of the above.

THIS TEAM NEEDS A NEW OWNER!!!!!!!!

SELL THE TEAM, CHARLIE WANG

SELL THE TEAM!!!

与龙一头必须砍掉,!

Vicp73
Vicp73

@wvAL That's what pisses me off the most, Bernier-Bishop-Schneider all available for the right price. Even Anton Khudobin was available in the off-season for a rather cheap signing. 

Vicp73
Vicp73

Hey when your 8 year rebuild has your NHL and AHL teams at the bottom of their respective Leagues, what does it tell you about drafting and player development? I'm really not sure how Snow has any support out there

wvAL
wvAL

I also am disturbed by Snow's inability to get more from all the draft picks and prospects we've had in the organization for years. He couldn't get one good trade out of 30 some teams for a decent young goalie? Or a d-man? We've had plenty of chips to deal

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@wvALCorrect and KO was drafted by Neil Smith...maybe Pulock in 2 years, maybe Reinhart...hopefully strome...who else? just overhyped prospects. Donovan was supposed to be a minor savior instead he is another turnover machine

wvAL
wvAL

Yeah there's really not much of a core besides jt and maybe 2-3 more. Sad

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@wvALYes but youre statement right there is right out of 2006 2008 2010 2012 2014, we are always relying on core that turns out mostly overhyped

wvAL
wvAL

Feel bad for our young core and the guys coming up soon

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@Vicp73@David Rosenthal@wvAL remember Joel Q told Snow he was retired and uninterested in coaching again...then a few weeks later took the Blackhawks (a rebuilding team at time) job and look what hes done...again showing Garths inability to get anything done

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@Vicp73@David Rosenthal@wvAL  Yep sad but true...and that is where Wangs being a terrible owner comes in...Snow is horrendous at personnel, Wang is terrible at management decisions, bad combo

wvAL
wvAL

Exactly, I'm afraid no respected quality coach will come here

wvAL
wvAL

True and I agree with that.

David Rosenthal
David Rosenthal

@wvALI agree about new coach, but in the never ending rebuild Isles need a proven coach, like a Lavvy...we cant rely on Trotts after his stint as coach, we need a coach who has been successful everywhere, Lavvy was in NYI, Car, Philly and would be respected. He would also bring in a capable staff of asst coaches.