The Morning Skate: Do You Root for ‘New York’?, False Sale Rumor

Kevin Schultz

You’ve probably had the conversation over the last week or at least pondered the idea. Do you support the Rangers in the Finals because they’re from New York?

My hunch is that the answer for the vast majority of people reading this blog is, ‘hell no‘, yours truly included.

When you get Local Sports Team into Important Sports Territory such as the Stanley Cup Final, it attracts a lot of attention and a lot of people who don’t usually follow the sport. And to be fair, if you’re not invested in the cross-town rival, it makes sense to support the locals. But if you’re on the other side — in this case Islander County — it’s weird to have people not understand that no thanks, I’m rooting for the Kings this week.

It depends a bit on the sport, too. As a Jets fan I tend to be indifferent towards the Giants since they usually only play in pre-season, but I’m also not a football super fan. In baseball, there’s been no love at least since Interleague play started and the basketball rivalry has gotten heated lately (and the two basketball owners kind of hilariously hate each other).

At LHH, Dan Saraceni goes into detail:

Not everyone spends their day and their life surrounded by sports, sports fans and sports writing. But you don’t have to get it. Only two colleagues – my Mets fan boss and a Yankees fan IT guy – understood completely where I was coming from when I said, “Hell no, I’m not rooting for the Rangers.”

When a league you’ve followed all season gets down to four or two teams, it’s natural to consciously or subconsciously pull for one team over another. I’m sure there are Islanders fans who genuinely enjoy or respect the Rangers and wouldn’t mind if they won, just as I’m sure a good portion of the state of California wants the Kings to crash and burn. The possibilities are endless. That’s the beauty of sport.

But standing around a water cooler trying to explain, “I don’t like these guys because I just don’t” can be exhausting. This is a primal emotional response that is often tied to a lifetime’s worth of built-up hatred, personal history and anxiety. It’s like explaining why water is wet.

So, out of scientific curiosity as to how the general internet populace feels, here’s a quick poll:

OK, maybe that poll is a bit biased.


In Calgary, Brian Burke — yes, he’s there now as President of Hockey Ops — took shots at both his team’s and the Islanders’ arena. 

“An update on our new home? You know what? We need a new building. Obviously, everyone knows that,” said Burke, president of hockey operations for the Flames, responding to a question from the audience. “We have the finest state-of-the-art 1988 building in the (National Hockey League).”

The Scotiabank Saddledome, headquarters to the Flames, was built in 1983.

The rink seats 19,289.

“You know what’s embarrassing?” said Burke. “There is one building worse than ours. Has anyone been there? Islanders (who play out of dilapidated Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum). So we don’t actually have the worst building in the National Hockey League. But we have a state-of-the-art 1988 building.”

But the joke’s on Burke and the Flames (and he likely knows as much) because after this year the Flames will be playing in the worst building in the NHL, Brooklyn sight-lines be damned. The full story here is that Burke is watching his cross-province rivals in Edmonton get a new arena deal that will see the Oilers and their No. 1 picks move into a new arena in 2016, while the Flames are in a 25-year old barn that was flooded out about a year ago with no visible movement on the issue.

Whether you like the move or not, it will be nice to know the Islanders aren’t in the worst arena in the league anymore, a title they’ve held now for quite some time.


Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, right?

On Friday, things got a little wacky when Lou Pellegrino, a producer NBC Sports, was going on and on about an Islanders sale being done and to be announced after the final. The tweets are now deleted, as well as the whole account, but it started with this one which we can still see thanks to the magic of topsy.com (the internet never forgets, remember that):

Pellegrino went on talking back and forth to fans for a while…

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Before issuing one of the worst “I was hacked!” excuses in Twitter history thus far…

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And so here we are, with random rumors and no solid news. But there’s been a lot of smoke, a lot of people who seem to know something’s up or something’s going on.

Charles Wang is, as we all know, reviewing offers and since that’s the case it makes sense that people would either make things up because they hear something from someone and it gets a little mixed up in a telephone game type of scenario or, maybe, for the attention. Or maybe there’s a bit of truth in this and a bit of truth in that and they are just waiting for the Finals to end before announcing it. We’ll have to wait and see…

Also: The Kings effectively trolled New York with a Will Ferrell ad near MSG… Justin Bourne on the Islanders and “building a team nobody wants to play for“…

And finally… Someone help out Target, please.




197 comments
dinbigd
dinbigd

I'm hoping for a LA sweep so we Isles fans can celebrate the news of Wang getting the hell away from the team. Once that happens hopefully more news of heads rolling will follow immediately after sale.

erika
erika

OK, we've beet this dead horse for the past 5 days! How about a draft preview, or some insights on what the Isles will do as we hopefully watch the Rags be eliminated! 

orange2327
orange2327

Been thinking about this one since hypotheticals are the bane of isles fans= franzy/kyle/no5 pick for ovechkin and maybe their top pick?? Hey its a slow night. Then you go out and sign heatley for 1 or 2 yrs tops. Imagine jt/ ovi/dany + a lethal PP.?? Just an idea.

camb33
camb33

I thought they were going to announce the sale of the team after the finals, they might as well do it now because its all but over, bwahahaha....seriously, im feeling so relieved that the rangers wont win the cup, feeling alive again, .like " I got a shot of B 12"

willymayshays
willymayshays

"Joe Haggerty of CSNNE.com reports the Boston Bruins have started contract negotiations with veteran forward Jarome Iginla. Iginla finished the regular season tied for the Bruins lead in goals and led the Bruins in playoff goals with five. According to Haggerty, the Bruins are pushing to re-sign to the 36-year-old to a contract very similar to his one-year 2013-2014 deal, which paid him $1.8 million."



Hey Wang, when you invest and Win, you actually get discounts!!!

willymayshays
willymayshays

" No negotiations between #Islanders and Dan Boyle will take place unless he decides he wants to play there. Decision expected this week."



This is why we should have gotten a goalie last yr, this yr might be too late.  Hopefully Boyle can look past our dismal 2013-14 season and see a bright future with him in it.

Don22
Don22

@dinbigd I hear ya, but I still wouldn't mind the Rags winning a game or 2 just to see some more good hockey.  That's said, not crying if the Rags lose tonight.


wangbegone
wangbegone

@erika How bout' this:


Wang sells 100% of the team. New owner fires Snow, Capuano, hires necessary infrastructure like a real scouting staff and player development personnel. 


New owner hires competent NHL GM and NHL coach.  

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@erika I've been banned from HFBoards and Islandermania because I'm too honest in regards to the Islanders' suckiness over the past generation, but I can still read HFBoards. On the draft thread over there, there's a lot of thrashing the 2010 draft. And yes, it's thrashable, as Brock Nelson is probably the only one of them who will have a decent NHL career with the Islanders.


But with that said, the Islanders have not drafted well in decades. There's draft talk every year, which is not good. I'd much rather talk about who they have to beat instead of talking about who the stud at #5 is this year, year after year.


With the exception of 1993, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007,  and 2013; the foucus has been on the top 10 Draft pick since 1989. Think about that, 1989! Think about how the world has changed since 1989. Think about someone telling you 25 years ago, "You'll win a couple of playoff series in four years, but you won't win another for at least the following 22." - And then they would go on to tell you, "You're going to pin your hopes on a goaltender who's 10 years old right now and a center who's 8... but management is going to trade them both before they've been in the league for one and three years, respectively. And you're next truly great player won't even be born for another year, or so." - "Oh, and that crap you're hearing about David Chyzowksi being the next great goal scorer... it's crap! They should have taken Bill Guerin. He's not Mike Bossy, but he's not... well, Dave Chyzowski." - "And by the way, Dean Chynoweth, your draft pick from two years ago... you would have been better off with Joe Sakic... you'll see what I mean." - Guy flicks his cigarette, starts his dirt bike, tears up some grass. "Can't Stand The Heartache" by Skid Row blasts in the background!


Yes, folks, we have sucked for that long!



mrcisback
mrcisback

@erika I agree Erika. I think Boyle is going to tell the Islanders no any day now. All of the so called hockey experts are predicting that will happen. I'm just happy that we at least secured Halak.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Heck, i thought my delusional fantasy of Wang giving a crap, signing 4 UFA's on defense and having a open competition in camp to make the team between Hamonic, Stralman, Brookbank, DeHaan, Gilbert, Fayne, Reinhart, Carkner, Choochman, Hickey, and Pokka was enough to make this thread sufficient. Ha.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@orange2327 i dont want anything to do with ovi.  hes very overrated.  gets half of his points on the powerplay and shoots 10 times a game, hence his high point total.  hes far from a team player and if you really want to talk about playing only one zone, thats exactly what ovechkin does.  and ovechkin hasnt exactly proven to be a winner either, so why does he make us one exactly? 

since72
since72

@orange2327 51 goals and a - 35.  No thanks.  I'll keep our guys.  He will destroy the chemistry.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Hypotheticals, you say? Bailey for Ovechkin straightaway! Lol

orange2327
orange2327

Bailey could use some B12. that might be his goal output for next year.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Willy,

Where I differ with you and many others here is I don't see that much future with Boyle. Boyle, judging on the last 2 years, is a still a valuable cog with a team looking for defensive depth - a team that already has 3 or more established defensemen on their team. The Wanglanders have one established guy closing on his prime, if you give Hamonic that credit. Viz is an AARP guy.

Anyone who watched any of their season last year knows full well that this defense is no where close. Boyle, as nice as a player as he's been, makes no sense.

Another Stirling Wangsnowjob decision.

If Wang and Snow were serious, they'd MAKE A REAL INVESTMENT and a real risk:

Snowang would sign on July1 Stralman, Gilbert, Fayne, and Brookbank.

Then, they would invite all the defensemen they could carry to camp and have a REAL COMPETITION to see who is on the roster. No dash, no flash, no BS, but it would lead to an incremental improvement that would carry over into future seasons.

shlo
shlo

@willymayshays I am pretty sure that his agent is doing his due diligence to see what his market price should be and if a "contender" is interested and at what price. We'll know soon enough.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Don22 no! thats what i thought when they were playing the pens and then they went on a roll.  need this to end asap! 

topshelf
topshelf

@since72 @orange2327 I really hoped i missed the joke on NOT wanting Ovechkin...I would give  them anyone short or JT and Halak.  For get the fact that we would add a scorer that can net 50+ in a time that you earn 2+MM for scoring 20. You would be taking away a rival's (yes anyone in our conference is our rival now) best player.  Why didn't you call for JT's head in 2011 when he had 29 G and -16??? 


And Boyle will listen to the Islanders! Might not sign but i think we have a good chance.

wangbegone
wangbegone

I can't say for sure 72, but I think he's making conversation knowing full well it's a trade that would never happen. Of course, your response begs the question of to what chemistry you're referring, but I like JT and Kyle, too.

orange2327
orange2327

What chemistry do we have?? Answer no playoffs we have bupkas chemistry.cmon thats a lethal line plus in a year you slot anders lee up with them.

bammer26
bammer26

@orange2327- B12 could be his flight number next year on his annual exodus..

wangbegone
wangbegone

And, yes, the kids would, then, have vets around to show them the ropes, when needed (although Viz and Carkner have been with this team and they're most certainly NHL vets....what ropes have they been displaying?.......don't answer that!)

Perhaps that would leave them without a solid top pairing (which just should not be after all of these years), BUT it would give them defensive depth to roll different pairings equally throughout a game without having to worry about a dropoff in competency, which would be a luxury Cappy hasn't had, ever (in his defense....maybe he can stop taking about battle level).

If camp starts and Hamonic, Stralman, Brookbank, DeHaan, Gilbert, Fayne, Reinhart, Carkner, Choochman, Hickey, and Pokka are all there to fight for a job, YOU HAVE CHANGED THE CULTURE!!!!

since72
since72

@shlo I don't think that any team an legally indicate interest or not at this point.  That would be tampering with another team's player, no?

Don22
Don22

@slapshot18_rs @Don22 LOL.  2 differences.  The Kings are not the Pens and Quick is not MAF.  The Kings are not capable of losing 4 in a row at this point.

since72
since72

@topshelf I'm never going to call for JT's head and neither are you.  Ovi is not in JT's class.  With the Islanders D in 2011, I think you are skewing his -16 to suit your arguement.  Nice try.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@topshelf because JT was 20 years old.  


ovechkin is a terrible team player. yes hes as dynamic a player as they come, but when he wasnt playing with backstrom his numbers took a HUGE hit.  he gets all his points on the pp.  hes an incredible player at certain aspects of the game, and hes awful at others.  

since72
since72

@wangbegone Chemistry meaning I believe that the Islanders are a tight team.  Vanek alluded to it while he was here.  The guys seem to like each other.  I know that is not equal to a winning team, just a good environment.

orange2327
orange2327

I love kyle but ovi with jt?? Cmon.

Don22
Don22

@orange2327 How can you make that comment after you complained about trading away the chemistry between MM and JT?  Either it's important or it's not.


Now for your hypothetical - I'd have to give that some serious thought.  But I think in the end I probably wouldn't do it.  I'd be worried about giving up so much for a dynamic goal scorer who could decide to pull a Kovachuk at any moment. 

since72
since72

@orange2327 If you think that playoffs = chemistry, then there is no chemistry.  Ovetchkin would be a mistake IMHO.  But glad you posted this as it keeps the site alive!

dzruggie
dzruggie

@since72 @shlo I believe their is a window where FAs can be approached however I do not know when.  We know it is a fact because clearly there are always big signings at 12:01 on 7/1 year after year.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

haha very true - would just scare the hell out of me if they ended up winning two in a row or something.  if it were any team other than NYR, id be rooting for a 7 game series. 

orange2327
orange2327

Chemistry means WINNING. THEY HAVE NO CHEMISTRY. The kings have chemistry the hawks have chemistry even the rags have chemistry. We have losing.

wangbegone
wangbegone

I would take friction and winning over kumbayah and losing, if given that false choice, anyday, year, life

wangbegone
wangbegone

I thought your trade had JT going, too. Lol I still defer back to my bailey for 8 proposition.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Just curious but are you a purveyor of this site to take an active interest in "keeping it alive"?

shlo
shlo

@slapshot18_rs I want a sweep just for the humiliation factor, you overachieved you really don't belong here.

(also because I predicted a sweep, hate to be wrong).

orange2327
orange2327

I would never trade jt unless you offer me towes or getzlaf or stamkos plus others.

since72
since72

@wangbegone No.  I just check in from time to time, same as you do.  It is slow at times like this and glad a few of us are posting.  Nothing more.

orange2327
orange2327

I Think ovi would love it here playing in bklyn lots of russians in brighton beach would come e to BC. He's also tight with the nets owner. It could work.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Yeah, on the reals, I'm with ya there.