The Morning Skate: Last Series Win Turns 21, Sport VU for Hockey

Kevin Schultz

Last week we celebrated the Greatest Playoff Streak of All-Time and today marks one of the worst (but with a nice memory). 

May 14th marks the 21st anniversary of the last time the New York Islanders won a playoff series, which of course was in 1993 against the Pittsburgh Penguins on David Volek’s dramatic overtime goal to knock out the two-time champs. Visual evidence for those of you not of legal drinking age:

So yes, the Islanders last playoff win is now as old as anyone celebrating their 21st birthday tonight. If you know a person under 21, know that they were not alive the last time the Islanders won a series. It’s been a while and we’re not reasonably closer to breaking the streak.


In other news, the NHL is reportedly looking into a player tracking system, similar to what the NBA has been using. If you’re not familiar, at its core the NBA system uses a computer system and series of cameras to track where players are on the court, where the ball is and the movement of all of those things. It’s provided by a company called Sport VU and it allows teams, fans and anyone interested to get data on how fast the players move, where they move, where the ball moves, which player the ball is moving to, when is moves to them, how often it move to them and a whole host of other things. This is the sort of system used if you’ve ever watched a soccer game and the announcer tells you how far a player has run that day. It’s a system like this tracking the movement.

And all that may soon come to the NHL. The Globe and Mail reports that the league is looking at putting this system in place for the 2015-16 season. So there could be a whole new world of data and information coming soon to an NHL near you, provided they’re able to effectively track the puck. From the Globe and Mail article, tracking an object much smaller and faster moving than a basketball sounds like a work in progress.

But via Deadspin, here’s kind of a taste of how the accuracy of the NHL’s “real-time stats” will improve. Right now, the real-time stats are tracked by arena statisticians and provide some inconsistent results depending on arena.

The NHL officially tracks “real-time stats” (hits, takeaways, and giveaways) to try to fill in the gaps, but these are cursory at best and spurious in all cases. Teams count them differently, and don’t seem to follow anything resembling the NHL’s official definitions. The Islanders’ Matt Martin, for instance, led the league in hits this year with 359, nearly a hit-per-game ahead of second-place Cody Franson. Two more Islanders were also in the top 20, so this tells you two things: The Islanders didn’t have the puck very much, and they probably overcount hits. What it doesn’t give you is an analysis of Matt Martin that can be used to compare him to other players in any meaningful way.

Imagine not only tracking Matt Martin’s hits accurately but also understanding the force of them, which player he hits the most, and how fast he’s skating when he engages. That’s where this is heading.


Also: In other news, Scott Gordon speaks out about his time in Toronto including this one: “As coaches, we tried to address it and get the players to understand what we saw, but at the end of the day, they’ve got to go out and play.” … The Rangers, sigh, won Game Seven last night in Pittsburgh but they’re already golfing if you ask The Hockey NewsCondolences to Stan Fischler who lost his wife yesterday… 




99 comments
cournoyer
cournoyer

Love LA . Quick is exciting. Wipe that smug look off Kane's face. Good on the Rangers. See, Torterella's system didn't work

Subban loves HGH

ohiofan
ohiofan

Canadiens were pretty good but always will wonder if Turgeon could of played just maybe the outcome would of been different.

Bet the Bruins about now are thinking maybe they should of tried a little harder for Vanek. I thought he would end up there at the deadline but I guess they figured they had enough scoring. Not quite as it turns out. Too bad for them and us.

tag1
tag1

If there were any doubts how the pecking order is in NY sports here goes The Yankees/Mets TV rating combined beat both the nets when they were playing and the Rangers Game 7, and the nets got a better rating vs the baseball then the rangers Game 7. I guess the nets playing miami helped their rating, but the rangers played a second round Game 7 and couldn't get a better rating then the nets. Neil Best has the numbers on his Twitter page. 

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

Garth Snow has a "To Do" list on his desk right now, and that list has an approaching expiration date.  First and foremost on that list is the contract of Jaroslav Halak.  One suggestion might be for Snow to give Miroslav Satan a call.  He's local area code 516, living in Jericho with his wife and two kids.  He obviously likes the area, having experienced a half dozen moves and settling back here after his career was over.  His countryman Halak has yet to see the beauty of Long Island.  Snow just might need an emissary to convince him and what better person than Satan?  It's imperative that Snow sign Halak, and get him signed to a multi-year deal...

Second on that "To Do" list on Snow's desk would be filling out the goal tender card for here and Bridgeport.  Evgeni Nabokov would make a nice back up.  A pairing of Halak and Nabokov would be a huge upgrade over what was here last year.  Kevin Poulin is an RFA under Snow's control and can be returned to Bridgeport.  Offer him a two-way deal and that still leaves at least one more vacancy for  another signing.  Snow can deal with Anders Nilsson, or just turn him loose and let him return to Europe but, he still needs to sign another goalie for Bridgeport and address the goal tending in the ECHL...

Third, and last on his list is the hole he created on his top line's left wing.  He gambled on selling Matt Moulson for Thomas Vanek and lost.  What's interesting about this vacancy is the fact that the Hockey News now lists Brock Nelson on the depth chart as the #3 left wing.  So he can fill the void in house  but, just doing the numbers then means Josh Bailey gets a spot in the top six.  If Snow really believes Bailey to be the answer as a top six forward on the right of say Ryan Strome, then he must see something we don't.  I like Dustin Penner as a UFA for one of the left wing spots on the top two lines.  That allows Nelson to play RW with Strome and Lee, and Penner to take the spot with John Tavares and Kyle Okposo.  Or Lee and Penner can be flipped without much fan fare and the results still would appear to be two solid top lines.  Combine that with Nielsen, Grabner and Clutterbuck and the top three lines are real strong.  There are other UFA candidates available, Jussi Jokinen, Milan Michalek, maybe even Dany Heatley or Mike Cammallari but, I like Penner as he fits the type of player Snow has been able to grab the past few years.  He's in the Moulson, Grabner, PA Parenteau, Brad Boyes mold, the kind of player that might be had on a cheaper deal that just needs a change in scenery to revive his career...

I'm just ruminating but, there must be something about the name Dustin that creates a problem with professional athletes.  Penner has kicked around the league never really finding his niche even though at one point he was paired with an all-world center in Ryan Getzlaf.  Dustin Byfuglien appears to be on the trading block in Winnipeg, and then there's Dustin Johnson.  With a major championship in his sights on the back nine of a Sunday, he grounded his club on what he thought was a spectator walkway.  He had a one stroke lead at the time and the incident wasn't even reviewed by rules officials until a television viewer called in the infraction.  It seems the walk way was really a hazard, even though it looked like a walk way and the grounding of his club called for a two shot penalty.  That penalty dropped him into fifth place while Martin Kaymer beat Bubba Watson in a playoff.  Kaymer went on to reach #1 in the world, Watson has two Green Jackets and Johnson hasn't been the same since.  Of course, Dustin Pedroia has won an AL MVP and Dustin Brown won a Stanley Cup, and Dustin Johnson does have Paulina Gretzky to come home to but, could the name Dustin be snake bit???

So that's it...  That's Snow's list...  The defense will be sorted out with the prospects coming up and the team is about to take the final curtain at an arena that was once called the venerable mausoleum but has now just deteriorated into a quagmire of malaise and often blamed for the team's inability to attract veteran players.  Snow's goal has to be to finish out this final year on a high note,,, playoffs,,, and then move into the Borough of Brooklyn ready to compete for Lord Stanley's prize.  That was his promise, all those years ago, when Charles Wang grabbed him from out of the team's locker room and gave him the keys to the penthouse as the GM.  His rebuild is close to being built and it's now time to deliver...    

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

Wow! Twenty one years later, and I've seen this goal a million times [including live], did the Penguins only have four skaters on the ice?


Ulf Samuelsson brings the puck in on-side [So there is no Penguin deep in the zone]. I see Dave Tippett fall to the ice, go to the bench, and get replace by Martin Straka. Ulf Samuelsson fails in passing to Mario Lemieux [bad play], and outside of Tom Barrasso, the only Penguin I see on the ice is defenseman Kjell Samuelsson.


This was not a Power Play. Am I missing someone out there?


I know the Islanders have five out there. Obviously David Volek, Ray Ferarro, Vladimir Malakhov, Denis Vaske, and Derek King.


But I swear, the Penguins have four out there. Has this detail been missed for 21 years? I don't ever remember anyone ever bringing it up!

Dan Coscino
Dan Coscino

Here's a prediction: After failing to reach a deal, the Isles will end up trading the rights to Halak to the Pens for... Mark-Andre Fleury!

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

I frankly don't care if the Rangers win the Stanley Cup or not. The Islanders aren't good enough for me to be mad about that.

dinbigd
dinbigd

Gotta a feeling about Rags Habs series.Don't think it will go 7 either way.I see winner in 6.Maybe Rags coming out on top.Who knows?All I can say is I'm pulling for Rags & YES I am an Isles fan.I'm just so tired of these opposing teams fans packing OUR building & yes Rags fans do the same but they root for a team in NY that's not far away.W/ that said our lovely owner is to blame for all & I would not be one bit upset if Rags can beat the teams whose fanbase have invaded our once proud COLI.I will however NOT pull for Rags in Finals.Sorry Rags fans there's only so much you can hope for.Take it from a beaten down Isles fan who is now just rooting for a good owner while other fanbases dream of playoffs & Cup.

Scott Weinstein
Scott Weinstein

Unofficial assist to Malakhov for setting a pick in front of Marty Straka giving Volek a clean look

Carey Price is finally looking like the goalie Montreal thought he'd be and PK Subban is a game changer. Habs in 7

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

and here's to hoping montreal gets the first pp in every game. :)

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

i'm trying to tell myself montreal can win but i have to admit i'd have preferred boston.  it'll take speed and muscle.  montreal already might have gotten as far as they were supposed to.  rangers are further along.

shamwow
shamwow

From Volek to Vanek - Doesn't 21 years fly when you're havin' fun, kids?


Rags over Habs in 6, unfortunately.


Weekend at Glennies: a dead Sather, in sunglasses, propped up at his desk, is still a better GM than the bloated back-up goalie.

dkdk
dkdk

I thought the bruins would crush the rags, and I knew the rags would beat the pens. I don't think the Habs can beat the rags, God I hope in am wrong.

Go Habs go!

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

montreal does seem to get a call here and there...

since72
since72

@ohiofan Yep.  Minnesota may be thinking the same thing.  Also the loser between the Kings and the Ducks.  All were interested, but wouldn't pay up. 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@tag1  

When ever anyone talks about the vote to stay in  Nassau, I always think about how unpopular hockey is compared to football or baseball.  Certain people want to say that the vote and the move to Brooklyn was all due to the financial ineptitude of LI.   Reality is that is was for many reasons and I don't think a new stadium in brooklyn would be any more profitable than a new stadium on LI, esp if we could get one closer to the LIRR.   Personally all I see is untapped potential on LI.  Hockey could have become a much more popular sport, but politics and bad ownership squashed it all.  

camb33
camb33

@orange2327 good thing we got his brother in law here to recruit him....oh wait...

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@Dan Coscino  You make me sick! I was thinking that Fleury would some how find his way on the Islanders... I wish I was the only one. Now I feel like I'm not delusional. Thanks, dude!

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

@dinbigd  OMFG. You never root for the Rags. You NEVER root to lose more of what's left of the fan base, which is at a 9:3:1 ratio now according to Botta (us in the middle, NJD last). If you root for the NYR you are not a NYI fan.

dkdk
dkdk

Beaten down islander fan .... Is there any other type at this point?

dv92
dv92

@snostorm  Even if the Rags do beat them... No way are they taking out the west.

dkdk
dkdk

All I know is if we give it a day or two there will be someone giving snow credit for the foresight to see Montreal playing the rags as the inspiration for handing over Vanek. Just give it time.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

@snostorm  that's true.  a great rule in the playoffs is 'be careful what you wish for.'  i think their fans are glad it's mont and not bos, but who knows.

tag1
tag1

I think the Bruins are overrated dk I think they play stupid hockey too much, they were lucky to get by Toronto last year and they get a ton of chances and don't finish well.

camb33
camb33

@dkdk For the next week or so I am gonna be such a huge Habs fan, you may as well make me a Canadian citizen

tpjm
tpjm

@dkdk  This is shaping up to be a nightmare. NYR wouldn't have beaten Boston but they can beat the Habs.  Habs always beat Boston.  NYR in cup finals???  Anaheim or Chicago or LA better come through.  Tough season for a NYI fan.

dimaio34
dimaio34

Hey orange rate the following players for me out of ten.

Dsutter bsutter bassen pilon hrudey diduck lauer alan Kerr

willymayshays
willymayshays

@orange2327

I don't think I'll ever dislike Vanek, but I'm usually a fan of the hard working type that overcomes adversity.  some one who is always busting his butt, always thinking about others... like teammates, fans etc.


So that's why I'm a big fan of JT and KO.  Even lesser players, guys like Cizi and Martin they bust their humps

 Vanek is talented, seems like a nice guy, but not the kind of guy I would EVER root for unless (of course) he wore an Islanders sweater.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@willymayshays @tag1  

That referendum was a last ditch effort by Ed Mangano to keep the team here.  It was also poorly timed for an early August vote and still faced the possibility that NIFA would nix the deal even if the voters passed it.  Charles Wang had already stated that he was done investing money in the Coliseum site and threatened to move the team if he didn't get a new arena on the county's dime.  But Nassau County was a fiscal train wreck, even beyond its killer property taxes, with a projected budget deficit of $225 million and a $4 billion debt load in 2011.  To borrow $400 million and put it on the backs of the home owners and small businesses was just a political stunt with Mangano trying to save face by not being the man in charge when the Islanders left town.  As far as Wang was concerned, this was the last straw as the Town of Hempstead and Supervisor Kate Murray had repeatedly denied his plans for the Lighthouse Project.  In the days leading up to the vote, the County Democratic Party made every effort to inform the county constituents that a yes vote was a vote for higher taxes.  Maybe that was political posturing because both Mangano and Murray are Republicans, or maybe they actually were trying to hold the line on taxes.  Either way, there was enough fear mongering spread around to bring out enough voters to kill the referendum by a 13% majority.  After the vote, Mangano actually boasted that the people had their say, and Wang made his deal with Brooklyn.

As far as getting a site closer to the LIRR on Long Island,Wang's original Lighthouse Project included an upgrade of the Garden Mitchell secondary track that runs to the Coliseum, the rail that brings the circus to town.  It would have been the same type of track and station that runs into Belmont Park.  Sadly,,, that's all history now...  

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@orange2327  

Same old song
Just a drop of water in an endless sea
All we do
Crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see
Dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind...


Why doesn't that sound an awful lot like the situation this team finds itself in???  Perhaps I was on to something without even realizing it.  Maybe Garth and Charles are aliases for Dustin...

jepliberty
jepliberty

@gleichzahl @snostorm

My son is a Rangers fan, and I asked him who he wanted the Rangers to face, he answered 'whoever is beat up the most' that was during the last Habs, Bruins game in the 2nd period.

dkdk
dkdk

I have a Pierre Turgeon Habs jersey that will come out of the closet tomorrow!

tag1
tag1

@REDSpointofview Thanks for backing up what I posted that the majority of your property tax bill goes to the school tax not Nassau County so out of a 10 grand tax bill the majority goes to the school district.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@tag1 @REDSpointofview @doc942 @willymayshays  

No you do not,,, as we all know ownership here was motivated by real estate deals that never materialized.  

Approximately one third of the average Nassau residents tax bill is the county assessment, the other two thirds the district school tax.  Most school districts are quite solvent, with maybe the exception of Roosevelt and a couple of others.  That list was recently published in Newsday.  So with that in mind, the average household in Nassau County is contributing at least $3300 or better into a pot that provides police, garbage and street maintenance.  By the 2010 census, there were over 340,000 households in the county.  That's an annual haul well over $11 billion, yet they are broke, averaging a $225 million annual deficit.  And those numbers are a low ball estimate at best.   

I am not blaming the politicians for the state of the Islanders.  That's on Wang and the minions he employs.  But it is firmly on the shoulders of the politicians in both the county and the town that let the Coliseum degenerate into a cesspool...

tag1
tag1

@REDSpointofview @doc942@willymayshays@tag1  If you live on LI and pay a property tax bill you know that a majority of your tax bill is the school tax and doesn't go to the County.


What about the ownership the past 21 years, do they get any blame or is all the blame on the politicians and people of Nassau County who didn't screw up at the draft, didn't give out ridiculous contracts to players who didn't deserve them, didn't hire a unqualified newly retired backup goalie as GM, need I go on?

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@doc942 @REDSpointofview @willymayshays @tag1  

Crooked politicians and crooked businessmen are the bane of suburbia here on Long Island.  Where else does a property tax bill under $10 grand a year seem reasonable???  And even with that Nassau County is broke and needs more revenue.  I cannot wait to see the fall out after they install those school zone speed cameras and they start ticketing people doing 30 mph on some highway when school isn't even in session.  Can everyone say boondoggle???

doc942
doc942

@REDSpointofview @willymayshays @tag1  I remember hearing radio advertisements leading up to the vote claiming "another billionaire bailout" for spoiled rich owners and athletes.  What a shame and a sham.  LI'ers got robbed of their own franchise due to bad politics, false advertising, crooked politicians and crooked businessmen. 

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@orange2327  I didn't even know they won the season series in '07 or haven't won since. I used to know that stuff by the back of my hand. No stability, no passion, this team sucks!

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@orange2327  Twenty years ago I rooted for every team that played the Rangers. The Islanders have been so bad for so long that my hate for the Rangers is gone. It's out of sight, out of mind, and there's nothing interesting about the rivalry. I'm jaded. And I'm jaded because of the Islanders. I can't fault the Rangers for trying to win. It's kind of their job.


I'd be willing to bet that the Islanders have had more #5 picks than any other team in the league.


1992: Scheduled to pick 5th {picked Kasparaitis 8th]

1997: Roberto Luongo

1999: Tim Connolly

2000: Raffi Torres

2008: Scheduled to pick 5th [Haha! Bailey picked 9th]

2010: Nino

2011: Ryan Strome

2014: ??????


Let's face it, for something they do so often, they're not even good at picking 5th!


.... they should be bonafide experts by now!

dimaio34
dimaio34

Ok agree. Also dimaio mcbean. Chynowth and McCabe

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@willymayshays @jepliberty @orange2327  I agree, completely. And that's why it's so frustrating to hear Bailey defenders say, "Look what Okposo did." - Okposo was the best player on this team in 09-10, then he got the shoulder injury and took some time to get back on track.  The thing is that he had promise prior to that injury, so his track record indicated that he could return to form. As for Bailey, he's NEVER shown anything. He SUCKS! He's always going to SUCK!

willymayshays
willymayshays

@jepliberty @willymayshays@orange2327

I do like CBuck, but it's really anyone who puts his heart into what they do.  Everyone wants to win, wants to do good, BUT some really show it.


Take Bailey and Okposo.  Always thought KO had a good chance to put it together, become a star.  Don't feel the same about Bailey.  It's really mental and physical toughness, aggressiveness and will power.  With out it it's hard to reach your potential, esp in hockey.  I will always admire those that strive to be the best they can be.

camb33
camb33

@dkdk snow deserves a lap around the ice with the cup if habs win it all

camb33
camb33

@orange2327 I think they are showing that video on the same night they raise reinaharts jersey to the rafters next season

willymayshays
willymayshays

@dkdk

And now, the man that made this all possible....... Garth .....

dkdk
dkdk

How about snow in the Habs lockerrroom with goggles on spraying champagne, lol