The Morning Skate: Snow on WFAN, TSN Numbers

Kevin Schultz

Yesterday afternoon, Garth Snow was on Joe and Evan on WFAN to discuss the team’s recent signings and season. You can listen to the full audio here, and below are some of the interesting points.

Was asked about the team not spending a lot of money on players:

“I think anytime you go through a rebuild like we did there’s a level of frustration. Part of the CBA is the ELC system for young players and we can’t control that they make a certain amount of money until they get to the next contract… [Tavares, Hamonic, Okposo...] Until those players get out of the entry-level system, a byproduct of going through a rebuild is having a low payroll. I understand that question. Part of for us, to get where we want to go is to get those players, draft them, sign them, play them and let them have that experience and not bring in a veteran, a stop gap kind of player, who takes away from the development of those young players.”

I mean that’s a sidestep, because it doesn’t address spending on free agents that until this summer wasn’t there. Well, we don’t spend because our players are young is a cop out. Although Snow does address the troubles in getting free agents later on saying, “when I signed here as a free agent, I got here spent my off-season here and it’s a wonderful place. But when I was a player on another team all I saw was the Marriott, that parking lot and the Coliseum and I was out of town.”

On Thomas Vanek:

“What did we give up for Thomas Vanek?”

– Matt Moulson

“That was a pending free agent that we were going to lose anyway… The situation we were in October. I had made a call to Matt Moulson’s agent to gauge the interest in an extension and what that cost might be. At that point I made the determination that it was a pending UFA that wasn’t going to come back to us and I think you saw the contract he got. For me, I had a free agent to be and I traded him for another player who was a free agent to be, who by the way is an elite player in this league. He came in and helped Tavares before the Olympics he was second in the league in scoring and Okposo was fifth or sixth. We had one of the top lines in the league and Thomas Vanek was a point a game player and helped the productivity of that line. And for me, Vanek to have a former 40-goal scorer… helped me make my decision, we have a chance to improve, our team wasn’t playing well at the beginning of the season and I’d rather make a move like that rather than let it fall by the wayside.”

On goaltending, interviewer says the reason the Islanders lost to Pittsburgh was goaltending:

“Very confident [in goaltending position now]. Halak, when you look at his performance the last four years in St. Louis he’s right up at the top of the league with that cluster of players. We’re extremely happy signing Chad Johnson on July 1st. Helps stability at that position, it’s a position we wanted to address in the off-season and we did. I’ve been really happy with how that has played out for our club.”

On getting a top-five (four?) defenseman:

“I don’t envision us making a trade to get a top defenseman like a Denis Potvin. Really, not many of them reach the market and when they do it gets crazy. Coming down the pipe we have Griffin Reinhart who we envision being one of those top-pair defenseman… For us, those players don’t become available and when they are you’ve got to give to get and the players we’d have to give, I don’t think our fans would be happy… We’re going to continue with the path of drafting a Griffin Reinhart, drafting a Travis Hamonic, a Calvin de Haan, a Ryan Pulock, a Ville Pokka. We’ll look to get better and if it makes sense, we’ll act on it.”

How big a difference Barclays Center/Brooklyn will make on the franchise:

“I can tell you it was a topic of conversation with [Kulemin and Grabovski]. Excited about being in Brooklyn and being in a state of the art facility… it’s a part of the conversations that I have and in yesterdays transaction is played a big part.”

Over at TSN, Scott Cullen decided to take the opportunity not to shit on the Islanders but to actually analyze the signings of Grabbo and Kulemin. It’s a good read.

Going to the Islanders should offer Grabovski an opportunity to get favourable matchups, with zone starts tilted towards the offensive zone and softer opposition while opponents send their best at John Tavares’ line and the Islanders put Frans Nielsen’s line out for the toughest defensive assignments.

Grabovski has scored 20 or more goals three times and topped 50 points twice. His career points per game of 0.59 works out to 48 points over an 82-game schedule, so maybe something around a 50-point season is the best-case scenario, but if Grabovski can put up between 40 and 50 points with typically strong possession stats over the course of his contract, he will be a solid addition for the Islanders.

Also: Garik over at LHH on the possible trade targets on defense… Here’s Art Staple on SiriusXM… Everyone’s on the radio. Chris Botta on TSN yesterday said he knows the NHL put Charles Wang and Andrew Barroway together to try and make a deal for the team. He also said that he’s not convinced Wang is ready to walk away from majority ownership.

And finally… Darren Dreger on the Islanders newest signings:




60 comments
stanleycup
stanleycup

Besides Being the WORST GM in Islander History. Garth "The Back up" Snow Has to be the WORST GM in the NHL, Hands Down! His Trades (lol) Signings and his CLOWN type attitude is the WORST in the NHL and his Track record proves it. LOSER all the Way around and he gets paid for it.


willymayshays said it very clear down below and I back his feelings.

These signings are left overs that no other team wanted but the Islanders.

Does any of you Wang fans want to bet that this team is no better than last year or the years before.

Besides Snow still thinks he's in a Youth rebuild, wasn't that the plan 6 years ago


CLOWNS ALL AROUND!!!! SNOW your an embarrassment to the Islanders and GM"S all around Professional sports.


And CHARLES "THE PIG" WANG is the WORST OWNER IN MAJOR LEAGUE SPORTS!!


Must be Great to be an Islander Fan!

nassau1
nassau1

SELL THE TEAM WANG NOW YOU LOSER

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

i caught the last ten minutes on the radio.  could have been better, could have been worse.

tpjm
tpjm

Barclay's/BROOKLYN comes through again! You know Grabbo and Kulemin never would sign if NYI stayed in broke nassau - Halak too -  and NYI would never be able to compete. Moving to BROOKLYN and leaving nassau is the best thing to ever happen to this franchise!


"How big a difference Barclay's Center/Brooklyn will make on the franchise -        

I can tell you it was a topic of conversation with [Kulemin and Grabovski]. Excited about being in Brooklyn and being in a state of the art facility -  it’s a part of the conversations that I have and in yesterdays transaction is played a big part."

willymayshays
willymayshays

I know I posted a few questions yesterday, but about the Vanek trade but, how much did we scout him?  Sounds silly, but as I brought up yesterday we don't have a big (hell it's not even medium, from what I've read) scouting dept.  I remember reading many Buf fans posting, "good luck, he's good when he wants to be" or "he's a one dimensional player, sure he scores, but that's it"  

I thought we moved on from MM because we were looking for a more dynamic player.  Vanek has a LONG track record and it all seems to say, lazy too  often, not big on defense, caught out of position too early resulting in bad penalties."  

It's really just an expansion of my point yesterday, only scouting is not just for draft picks.  Some will argue, Vanek is an elite player, but not from what I saw.  He wasn't worth Moulson and 2 HUGE picks.  Maybe if we had an extra head or two, sharing ideas and views, we would have valued Moulson a bit higher and maybe even Vanek a bit lower...

joepf
joepf

The only thing I took out of that was botta sayng wang isn't ready to give up majority ownership ....honestly nothing matters until he sells in my mind so I shut down as soon as I read that quote

dinbigd
dinbigd

I must say this team as constructed now is probably going to be the best team we the fans have seen in years. Now like Garth said its up to the players. Here's hoping JTs injury doesn't become a nagging one & set him back a year. The one question I thought that should've been asked but wasn't is w/ the signings of Grabo/Kools what does this mean for Strome/Nelson/Lee for the upcoming season? It would be nice to see bridge get on a winning track but don't think those 3 will be thrilled about playing there instead of NHL. I know one will probably stay for JTs wing but curious about the other 2. W/ that said I don't think Garth is done trading just yet. If anything he needs to clear out 2 players to make room for these 3 or maybe not.

Kev Roc
Kev Roc

I dont get his stance on Moulson at all. "A different look"? There's a lot to be said about chemistry. You'd think a former player would get that.

Chris Retzlaff
Chris Retzlaff

My concern with Bailey is that he does not have the drive, look at how KO seen JT and went to train with him last year, it paid off. have not heard of seen if Bailey made the decision to get the most out of his ability.  That being said, I am on the fence with giving up on him, unless it gets an Impact D Man, when I say impact, not talking offense, but a guy that strikes fear into opponent (Phaneuf) Tired of cringing every time JT is on the ice at the same time he is…as for the $, its not mine, so I can care less how much he gets paid.

Don22
Don22

@dinbigd Unless they come to camp flat or out of shape, Nelson or Lee will probably be on JT's wing, with the odd man heading to the 3rd line and Strome will probably play on Grabbo's wing.   

tomba
tomba

Guy gets paid a gazillion dollars to play a game that we'd die to play for the thrill alone....plays like he's doing us a favor or just broke up with his g'friend...(seems almost weekly). If he put in effort in off season and showed he really cared, I'd like him to stick around but I've had enough of him. May be a case of no one wants him and we have to live with it; he may put up some numbers then trade him....if he was in business world he'd a been canned a long time ago.

fourcups
fourcups

@Chris Retzlaff  You described Bailey well. So, why do you think you can get a Pheneuf type for him? Would you make that deal? Add Donovan to the deal & I still say if you were Toronto would you do it?

David Schwartz
David Schwartz

@willymayshays Gotta disagree here for the fact its not just the stadium.  Brooklyn is a big name and part of the best city on earth.  I will always bleed blue and orange, but to say moving to brooklyn isn't an upgrade for the team in terms of diversifying their current revenues streams and hopefully continue to spend money like they did this offseason is just fiction.  Also since when did you become the mind reader that knows why both FA's came and both goalies signed here unless of course you happen to have personally spoken to all players involved, if so I will rescind my comment.  LETS GO ISLES BABY!!!

jepliberty
jepliberty

@willymayshays 

I agree willy good post, that clown is either a newbie or, is a Rangers fan, either way he is ignorant and saying the move is the BEST thing to ever happen to this franchise shows how ignorant he is.

islesfan77
islesfan77

@willymayshays  Probably one of the worst posts in quite some time. So sad that people actually liked it.


1. "Wouldn't a new arena any where be state of the art?  Why are you so aggressively ignorant??"

Read the quote again, it says, "Excited about being in Brooklyn and being in a state of the art facility." Who said new arena? What if they moved into a old facility, would it still be state of the art. Who is the aggressively ignorant one here.

2. Tpjm is not rubbing Brooklyn in anyone's faces. Why assume that. Maybe he lives in or closer to Brooklyn. He can't be excited that he might be able to go to more games? 

3. "Are you ever even a fan?  Are you a Rangers fan with low class?" - Who are you to question anyone's dedication to the team. Tpjm did not say anything Anti-Islander.


4. A newer rink is an upgrade. Having mass transit to the arena is an upgrade.  It is not just a big deal for Wang financially, it is a  big deal for the Islanders financially because now there is more revenue for the team. Even if Wang sells, the annual payment is a benefit to the new owner of the Islanders.  Yes, we need to win, but having the money does not hurt. 


5. Owner, GM and coach could be better. Did Tpjm say they were great? No, so why go there? No reason.


6. Tpjm never said these 2 FA's were huge, but just quoted Garth saying that Brooklyn helped get them  to sign here.  Would you rather not have them? Are the Islanders better off if they signed with another team. If they are upgrades over Bailey and McD, then its a plus.


7. Tpjm did not mention Halak, but in any event, I think the Islanders got the better goalie who was free agent. I think he is better than Miller. 


8. Islanders moved out of Nassau because of Long Island politics. I I might agree about bad ownership in that Pickett should not have signed that lease, but then again player salaries were not through the roof.  The arena had to be updated. The county is broke and under the supervision of a financial watchdog.  The team is moving off Long Island because Nassau allowed this to happen. 


9. The word is classless, not classes. Let me use them both in sentences to help you out. Your attack on tpjm was classless.  You should have paid attention in your English classes.


10. Calling anyone an ahole because they have an opinion different than yours is an example of arrogance.


RM was smart to stop posting. This is ridiculous.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@willymayshays

There is some merit to his point, and as I posted yesterday, this might be a move motivated by Brett Yormark and not Garth Snow with permission to spend Wang bucks.  The signings just don't fit something Snow has done in the past.  He goes after bargains not big dollar players.   Yormark may have forced someones hand in this.  Bringing a pair of Russians into Brooklyn just might have some effect on attendance.  A dozen stops on the D train local and they're right in the building.  

dkdk
dkdk

Let's hope these Russians aren't coming to be Brighton Beach concerned only. Remember the big splashes Yashin and Kvasha had for us and both were more talented than these two.

Great post Willy .... Happy 4th to you. I know most of Atlantic Ave is more apt to celebrate 9/11 than it is 4th of July.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@fourcups @Chris Retzlaff No way would they do it.  I know many people here do not like Pheneuf but he is an NHL top 4 D and with that he WILL command a kings ransom to trade for.  Toronto (or any team) will never trade a top 4 D to us for anything less than a Strome, Reinhart, Nelson etc.  I mean Snow came out and said it on the FAN.  I guess let's just ignore that the GM obviously put out feelers and backed off - and for a reason, because the return would have freaked out the fan base and disrupted the picks - rebuild.  

Don22
Don22

@David Schwartz @willymayshays IMO, there are 2 ways to look at Brooklyn:  1. An area that will bring in new fans that will embrace the team for years to come or 2. An area that will bring in new fans who will quickly move on once the shine of the new arena wears off.   I hope it's the 1st, but if this team doesn't cultivate a culture of winning now, those new fans will not stick around very long.  


The points against Tpjm is that it's not specifically Brooklyn that is saving the Islanders.  It's not like Wang was looking to build an arena and Brooklyn obliged and built it for the Isles.  The Barclays Center and Brooklyn were a matter of convenience.  The lease int NVMC was up in 2015 and Wang wasn't going to get his new arena - in Uniondale or anywhere else.  He really had 2 choices.  Re-up at NVMC, which he wasn't going to do - or find an arena that was already built.  You can say that there were arenas outside of NY that he could have went to (KC for example).  Maybe, but I truly think he wanted to keep the team here in NY and I think there is also some merit in what a few here stated - that the NHL would make it hard for him to leave NY.  


Either way - right now Brooklyn holds sway over NVMC it's something new and shiny.  That's really it.  Maybe it helps bring in some upper tier UFAs in the future. But new building or not, it still goes back to being a good team with a winning culture. 

Don22
Don22

@islesfan77 @willymayshays Islesfan - we are usually on the same page or close to it most of the time, but I really have to call you out on point #2.  Tpjm CONSTANTLY posts that Brooklyn is "saving" the Islanders.  So much so that yes - it does feel like he is rubbing it in.  He has often called out Nassau residents for voting the new arena down.  I doubt he realizes how little information was given to the residents about the cost that be transferred to us via taxes.  For the record, I voted FOR the arena - but I voted with my heart, not my brain. 


It seems obvious that Tpjm is from Brooklyn and is proud of it and that's fine.  But to say that Brooklyn is saving the Isles is ridiculous.  What is "saving" them is a new arena that was already built.  And this new arena coincidentally is located in Brooklyn.  If that arena were located almost anywhere else on LI or NYC, Charles would have bought in there too.  It has nothing to do with the boro of Brooklyn.


And in fact, I think it was Willy or another of these fine gentlemen replying to the post that pointed out:  A new arena is great, but if the team doesn't win it means squat. Just ask the NY Mets.  (Sorry - unintentional shot at the Mets).


I think the new arena can help the team because chances are it will help build some revenue. But that also doesn't mean squat if the owner isn't willing to put some of it back into the team.  That remains to be seen.


Either way, Happy 4th weekend to you and yours.  Be safe all.



willymayshays
willymayshays

@islesfan77 @willymayshays


HA!  You spent a lot of time disproving nothing but a typo!  thanks for pointing that out buddy.  OHhhh its classless.  You're joking right.  

Never read so much BS in one post.  




willymayshays
willymayshays

@REDSpointofview @willymayshays


Mass transit is going to be very good, as close as I was to the Colosseum, not having to worry about parking/driving.  


Not sure about the Russian connection.    Could be, but really, so what?  My point was that these 2 aren't much of an upgrade.  I like the signings, BUT why don't better players want to be here?  Winning.  even spending money guarantees nothing.  Bad owners who hire terrible GM's and in turn hire TERRIBLE coaches will continue to hold us back, NO MATTER where we play.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@dkdk

Kvasha was a bust and a mistake right from the start,,, Yashin was the star but he couldn't carry a team without sufficient talent around him.  And there really aren't a lot of transplanted Russians living in Garden City and the surrounding environs anyway.  Those two weren't brought to NVMC to bring in Russian fans.  

Your geography is off as well.  Atlantic Avenue runs east from the Barclay's to Jamaica.  It's Flatbush Avenue that runs south to Marine Park and Floyd Bennett Field.  And it's really Coney Island Avenue that would be the ideal route out of Brighton Beach and up to the Barclay's

dkdk
dkdk

Hey Don, I agree 1000% on the above. I can even get why some islander fans would prefer the team in Brooklyn but to constantly pizz on the Coli is disgusting. That is 40+ years of history and home to the best American based team of all time. Home to multi hall of famers. To constantly spit on the history is disgusting. And don like you said (I am also a met fan) .... A new palace to play didn't help at all. Winning, culture, good players, a chance for titles, and competency throughout the org leads to consistent winning and becoming a UFA destination. Not the building.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Don22 @islesfan77 @willymayshays


Thank you don, I really think I try to be fair.  I can see how my one post makes me look like a jerk, but  tp comes across as arrogant, and I can't stand that.   He reminds me of a kid. The rich kid who makes fun of a poor kid because his sneakers are beat up and no where close to being as cool as his.  It's NOT just a difference in opinion.  I don't like the guy.   Not mad at 77, he's prob a nice guy... usually.  what ya gonna do


happy 4th to you too.

dkdk
dkdk

I like how he is so critical of the insult then closes by justifying that he sees why the guy no longer posts here, and that guy threw more insults around than anyone. That's almost as good as not finding anything wrong with Bert pizzing all over the islanders history with every post.

Don22
Don22

@orange2327 Hey Orange.  I have to take issue with the vote being a rejection of Wang not the Islanders.  It was neither.  It was a rejection of the possibility of residents being hit with a tax increase to help foot the bill.  The problem is that we all think that the majority of Long Island cares about keeping the Islanders here, which just isn't the case.  I don't know what the percentage would be, but I am willing to bet that the majority of Nassau residents are NOT Islanders fans.  Therefore, they are not going to vote with their heart (like I did), but with their brains.  There was so little information on the impact a new arena would have on taxpayers it was ridiculous.  Anyone that voted YES to the arena did so with blind faith in our politicians that our taxes would not go up, or would go up insignificantly.  


So if you want to say the No vote was a rejection of anything, it was a rejection of our local politicians because nobody trusted their quotes of saying taxes wouldn't be affected, without showing any proof.  Residents are tired of being burned by our people in charge.  And that crosses both party lines.  


Have a Happy 4th weekend and be safe.

dkdk
dkdk

Nor would the financing supervisory board have allowed the referendum to go through even if it had passed. Especially with Wangs accounting track record at ca.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@willymayshays

Better players have spurned offers from Garth Snow because the primary goal of a better player is to play for a better team,,, one which actually has a chance at a championship.  Better players are pushed by other better player to get even better,,, how's that for semantic satiation???  And it's also an explanation for why Snow has failed to sign those better players when he even throws more money at them...  Until this team starts showing a proclivity to reach the playoffs annually, those players are going to sign elsewhere.  It's a fact of life, from Little League right on through to the pro leagues...

The owner bears the brunt of that, failing to adequately fund a payroll necessary to produce a consistent winner.  And now we may be forced to bear witness to the fact that Wang doesn't really want to sell the team, apparently hedging his bet against Barroway's offer.  But somebody stepped up and told Wang to "spend",,, and it's four years of spending at over $9 million for the two Russian forwards.  You do not think them an upgrade???  I think the combination with either Strome or perhaps Grabner will be far superior to what we had last year as a #2 line.  Aside from Nielsen. last years scoring came primarily from Tavares, Okposo and which ever left wing was here, Moulson or Vanek.  I am not sure who Tavares' left wing will be next year, he is on record as saying he'd be comfortable with Nelson but maybe Lee wins the job.  Either way, opposing teams will concentrate on the top line necessitating a second line to produce.  Reuniting Kulemin and Grabovsky might be an attempt as Orange put it to recapture some magic but, they did produce over a two year period in Toronto while playing together,,, 89 G and 105 A...  Come close to duplicating that and we have a decent second line to take some of the pressure off Tavares' line...  And if Strome is truly the offensive wizard his bio says he can be, that trio will be a far superior line to one which would have had Bailey on it.

I am not saying that Snow didn't over-pay to sign these two players.  They immediately slot in as the 2nd and 4th highest paid on the roster.  That is why I am not so sure this was entirely Snow's idea.  Spending Wang's money has been an anathema in the past, so what made it so right now???  Perhaps the pending move to Brooklyn means more cash to spend or perhaps it was the CEO at Barclay's that suggested to Wang it was time to spend.  Maybe it's these two players because they want to recapture what they had in Toronto, or maybe it's the idea of icing a few Russians in a borough that has a large Russian population.  I don't have that answer but I do know this,,, we are definitely better with them in the line up than we would be without them.

As to your final point about the GM and coaches, I can only empathize with you but add that as long as Wang wants to own this team he has the right to employ who he wants, and there is nothing that we the fans can do except boycott the product.  That actually defeats the purpose of trying to get him to spend money and improve the team...      

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@orange2327

Sorry,,, but I do not ride the subway anymore...  It doesn't go to the golf courses I frequent.  I did look at an old MTA map and saw the D, and Q out of Brighton Beach and the B, F, and N out of Coney Island.  Perhaps the map is out of date...  Ah yes,,, September 1997...

dkdk
dkdk

Orange, isn't even bay ridge and Bensonhurst getting a lot of Russians there now too? Large pockets of Asian communities as well. I remember 15-20 years ago they were 90% Italian but that seems to be changing. I know my in laws area went from all Italian to a lot of yuppies and French people. Demographics seem to be changing many neighborhoods around there.

dkdk
dkdk

Red ... Thanks for the school session, however my in laws live in Carroll Gardens and I pass the Barclays weekly. Atlantic Ave starts as Conduit Ave off of the Belt/southern State and runs clear to the river where you can enter the BQE at Atlatnitc Ave about 2 miles west of the Barclays. And I know the area even better because on 9/11 my wife crossed Atlantic Ave at Bond Street about 1.5 miles from Barclays to witness numerous store fronts owned by middle easterners celebrating.

My point is the area right by Barclays has many middle eastern owned businesses. The boro of Briooklyn not necessarily in the direct area is becoming more and more heavily slanted towards Russian. Many players of Russian descent probably would like to be in Brooklyn. We haven't had much luck with Russians.

Don22
Don22

@willymayshays @islesfan77  Hey Islesfan - just to add to my point from earlier -  you may have noticed in the last article posted by Kevin tpjm once again toot toots the horn for Brooklyn in a boasting, in-your-face kind of way.  He is a troll and nothing more. 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@dkdk


Right, plus I've never been quoted so much, kind of flattering...

Don22
Don22

@dkdk LOL!  Good point.  I will honestly say that there were times that I agreed with RMs points.  But man, his delivery was very crass.  It's obvious he enjoyed riling you guys up.  If he isn't still here either watching or under another name, he'll be back.  He enjoys the fight too much to stay away. 

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@willymayshays

I might also add this...

My crystal ball, although not infallible, still sees the possibility of Kirill Kabanov on a wing with Grabovsky and Kulemin, and that's not crystal meth talking.  Kabanov is a mercurial offensive talent with a lot of emotional baggage.  He sounds a lot like another player that Snow just drafted,,, Ho Sang.  And of that player you said, "HoSang could be great if he can mature mentally, be more of a team player, become much more responsible defensively and put on a bunch of weight/muscle.  I see ability (a lot of ability) AND a lot of ?'s."

Your assessment mirrors mine on Kabanov.  The only difference, Kabanov is older and bigger right now.  He will also have the benefit of two countrymen, either one or both of which might play psychologist and straighten the kid out.  That is a possibility and not a reach but, only time will tell...

jepliberty
jepliberty

@dkdk 

Bay Ridge was once a heavy Norwegian area, but now it certainly has changed, a lot of 'everybody's around there.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@dkdk

I remember that area from 40 years ago.  The LIRR terminal was a crumbling ruin.  The surrounding streets were full of drug dealers.  The older businesses going under, and most that were left were dingy taverns and some newish bodegas.  The one beacon was BAM but even that couldn't put a good spin on the neighborhood.  I think the gentrification of Brooklyn a good thing...

dkdk
dkdk

Yeah willy for a minute I thought your post was Bible scripture and he was a preacher.

dkdk
dkdk

Orange .. Right with you bud, Murray, Suozzi,,etc are creeps as are just about all politicians but it doesn't mean wang wasn't complicit. And for anyone to think his past corporate DNA didn't impede things, well I have a bridge to sell ya. It seemed like Dolan, Ratner, and many others were perfectly contented to bid on the revised plan that wang would not even consider negotiating off of.

And that advisory board is ignored by most and was hurdle that I doubt could have ever been overcome.

vegasvic
vegasvic

88th St and battery ave. You?

vegasvic
vegasvic

Dyker heights is where I'm from but Dyker hasn't changed that much but Bensonhurst and some parts of bay ridge forget about it.

dkdk
dkdk

That's what I thought orange. My niece is having difficult time finding a high school. In Carroll gardens there are mainly French charter schools. I think bishop Kearney closed a couple years back.

dkdk
dkdk

No one wanted to get in the pool with him and it was a well deserved reputation. It can never be proved one way or the other but just suppose Dolan owned the team in place of wang, I bet there would have been a far better likelihood of getting something done.

dkdk
dkdk

We had a party at Gargiulios a few months back and I drove the streets and went through those pockets and I was somewhat startled by little Korea. And by that I simply mean it wasn't all that many years before that there wasn't really even any Asians to note there. I can't recall a neighborhood changing that quickly. Then again I am watching it firsthand in Carroll Gardens too so I guess I shouldn't have been that stunned.

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And when you couple his past with his style of never negotiating it was a fools errand to think anything would get done. As I have posted before I needed permits and modications to build a simple backyard deck. He expected to throw up Lefrak City East without someone telling him he may be a little overzealous? Drop in to the real world once in awhile.

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What is also staggering to me are the amount of churches closing. It is a brand new Brooklyn these days.

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So Bert tells me in between his pizzing on 40 plus years of tradition.