Times are changing in Islanders country

Christian Arnold, Islanders Point Blank:

It has been a summer of change for the Islanders this year.

Charles WangInvestment into a quality product on the ice, a new building on the horizon and now an end to the ownership drama that has been the part of the team’s narrative for the last few months, if not years. It is a means to an end for the team and their fan base that may finally being seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

Charles Wang’s ownership of the Isles has been a bumpy road and has — as development projects have failed and the team struggled on the ice — divided the team’s fan base over their perception of him. Some like him and others… well, they were not too thrilled with his management of the team.

But with the announcement of new ownership of the Islanders there is renewed hope from fans. That’s not to anoint Jonathan Ledecky and Scott Malkin as saviors of the team just yet. In fact, they won’t own the team outright until 2016. For now they will be minority owners of the team — pending league approval — until their majority stake kicks in.

Ledecky and Malkin know business success, and Ledecky knows the business of hockey. He was a minority owner of the Washington Capitals from 1999 to 2001, so hockey is not alien to the Isles new owner. That success in business world will hopefully translate into success for the pair in the hockey world. It will need to for the Islanders to make it in the borough of Brooklyn.


 

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The only sticking point that could potentially hold up the sale is the lawsuit filed by Andrew Barroway against Wang. Barroway does have the legal option of filing an injection of the sale, but at the moment their is no word on what he will do.

Right now, there is excitement for whats to come. A new hope, if you will, that the Islanders franchise is starting to turn the corner. That with new ownership, the Islanders may finally have a chance to return to the glory the franchise once had. Ledecky certainly has his sights set on the right path.

“We are pleased to have the opportunity to become partners in the New York Islanders with Charles, and to pursue our shared dream of winning a fifth Stanley Cup for the greatest fans in the NHL,” Ledecky said in a statement.

With a competitive team on the ice and new ownership coming aboard the 2014-15 season and beyond is starting to shape up quite nicely.




71 comments
finnmaccul
finnmaccul

@fourcups.  Most of what you're saying rings true which scares me.  I still think the ST will do marginally better in Nassau than Bridgeport, but they're certainly not going to be able to support the arena by themselves.  Are concerts and boat shows etc. gonna be enough?  The demographics of Nassau have changed and keep changing away from traditional hockey support bases.

fourcups
fourcups

Minor league will flop in Nassau County.


Everyone points to the Ducks as a successful minor league baseball team. Most of the people who go to Duck games get in with free tickets. The Ducks have lost $$$ almost every year. Two years ago the Ducks would have folded if Bethpage Federal Credit Union did not buy the naming rights to their stadium.


Hershey leads the AHL in attendence by far because there is nothing else to compete with hockey near Hershey Pa.


The best comparison is the AHL Chicago Wolves. They are in a suburb of Chi about like Suffolk County is to NYC. They draw around 6K a game. THeir competition on TV is the Bulls & the Hawks.


Any team in Nassau County would have competition from the Nets, Knicks, Rangers, Devils & Isles. How many people are going to go to an AHL game rather than watch their favorite NHL team on TV? DVRs won't solve the problem. The people who go to those games will be like the fans who come to Isles games once or twice a year with their kids. That can't support an arena.


Nassau County & the TOH may be minor league, but not LI sports fans. Minor league basketball doesn't draw anywhere. Women's basketball will do no better than MSG does which is about 5K a game. Indoor Lacrosse, soccer, football don't attract fans.


Ratner is on record saying he will bring level B concerts to the Coliseum. Since the "new" MSG began operation, Barclay's has had problems getting big acts. Prior to that when Barclay's concerts were selling out, Barclay's was paying a premium to get them to Brooklyn. 


All the above stuff has been reported in financial pages of the New York papers.


My prediction is if the Coliseum ever get redone, it will become a parking lot within a decade........unless....I believe Barclay's & the Isles will flop within 7 years.


Focus groups tell Barclay's that 80-90 current & past Isles season tix will not go to Bklyn. So, they have to create an entirely new fan base. That won't be easy since the Isles drew the least from Bklyn over the last 40+ seasons. Prior to the move to Bklyn, Isles officials were very open open about that. The team drew most of its city fans from Queens & oddly Staten Island.


I also believe that the Barclay's arena for hockey will quickly become the laughing stock of the NHL and maybe all sports. Who moves to a facility that will be the smallest in the league? Who moves to a facility that has 1500-3000 seriously obstructed view seats for the owner's sport? Ratner and Yormark have backed off their promise to redo Barfclay's so they can decent seats for hockey. The only added seats with be behind the top level near food stands and will be high seats like those you find around a breakfast counter.


Unless the Isles become the Isles of the early 80s...Bklyn will flop.


I predict the Isles will be playing else where within 7 years UNLESS Barclay's remodeled or the Isles win a couple of Cups over the next few seasons. Moving in 7 years will be much easier because the cable deal that binds the Isles to the Met area (Wang could never have relocated the Isles without losing hundreds of millions of dollars by losing the cable deal) 7 years from now the cable deal will still be worth about 200 mil but someone could buy the club intending to relocate it....would it return to LI? move out of the Met are? who knows?

The "iron clad lease" does not exist. JayZee has gone on record that either party can break the lease after 4 years. Others say it is year to year. 

Much of the above is fact, but the view of the future is obviously my opinion.

Last, get ready to see a lot of Russkies in the Isles line up because that's one way to draw fans quickly. A few Brooklyn communities are heavily Russian and have a lot of hockey fans.



finnmaccul
finnmaccul

@Don22.  You're right about the attendance, maybe.  The ST avg'd 4,860 in Bridgeport where the demographics aren't the best for hockey     (city: 22% white, 35% black, 38% latino).  I think they'd draw better in Uniondale, maybe.  If some fans started to go to ST games instead of Islanders games in BROOKLYN because of commute, cost, etc. I don't think Charles would approve.  If promoted right it might put hockey back on the map in L.I.  Funny, but the Hershey Bears (Capitols) leads in attendance every year in a really small market area. They avg'd 9,664 last year for the team that didn't make the playoffs.  

finnmaccul
finnmaccul

@slapshot18_rs.  Did I miss something or didn't Ratner win the bid.  The re-build or new build process is supposed to begin August 2015 and take 15-18 months.  (Newsday: 1/16/14).  Having the Rags farm team in Nassau would stink.  I wonder if it'd be possible for the teams to share the bldg, that'd be a unique situation two AHL teams in one bldg.  I'm advocating it, but it might ramp up the Isles-Rags rivalry some.  What do you think?

finnmaccul
finnmaccul

@slapshot18_rs Why would Ratner let his competitor's farm team play in his new arena.  Doesn't make sense, and didn't the Wolfpack renew at the Hartford Civic Center?

finnmaccul
finnmaccul

@tag1:  Thx for the info.  It'll be nice to see our prospects on LI.  I hope they keep the prices low for seats, food, beer, etc.  Last year we paid $30 for the seat and round trip ferry ride to Bridgeport, the kids love the ferry ride.  I live close to the ferry, but for others it adds 1:30 one way to the travel.  Anders Lee reminds me of Phil Esposito.  He goes to the net, he's hard to move out, and he has a skill for knocking in a lot of garbage goals.  It would have been great if we could've landed Kevin Hayes.  Imagine him on the rw, Lee on lw, and Strome centering.  Two bears and a ringmaster.    

finnmaccul
finnmaccul

@hockeyfn91   two-shay, three-shay.  I assume that the new owners are gonna get the Sound Tigers and possibly Stockton, but the latter might only be a working agreement deal.  My interest is, are we gonna have our farmhands right here in Nassau because I was told by someone I know in the ST org that they were told told they were coming here.  He said they were coming when the Islanders go to Brooklyn, but that would mean the ST would play in NVMC until Ratner knocks it down and builds a new arena.  I really hope when they build the new arena they plan it for future expansion into an NHL size rink so the Islanders can come back here someday if this BROOKLYN thing doesn't work out in the long haul, but by then I'll probably be taking a dirt nap.

hockeyfn91
hockeyfn91

You know what... I am tired of the Wang-Snow-Capuano-Brooklyn-Nassau Coliseum debates. What we all should be focusing on right now is the product on the ice and I for one am optimistic for the first time in a long time that this team could make some real noise in the NHL. 

Don22
Don22

Hey, has anyone seen DK and Orange?  I haven't seen them on the threads lately, especially Orange.  Did they have to change their names here?  Or they like normal people and are on vacation and not worrying about this nonsense until they get back?

jepliberty
jepliberty

The title states that Times are changing in Islanders country, yeah perhaps, but not soon enough, and hopefully to we, the fans benefit, and a sucession of playoff teams.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

I think we all need to calm down a little bit before we start congratulating ourselves on the "rebuild".  What the Islanders have done this summer is what most other teams do in the normal course of doing business.  It's just that the Islanders have been run for years with a business plan written for your neighborhood dollar store that makes this summers outlay of cash seem so impressive.  Chuckles figures he'd just take the cost of the FAs, double it and add it to sale price.  No fool that Chuckles.  Hope they do well, and hope the next two years go quickly 'til we're finally rid of that con man. 

tpjm
tpjm

Christian, I love that picture of the savior of the Islanders. 

Barclay's Center that is not Wang.

Scott Mayer
Scott Mayer

"With a competitive team on the ice..."

Quite the statement... There is zero evidence at this point to be able to make the above assertion.

csh205
csh205

The beginning of the end of the "island" part of the Islanders. As Paul Newman said in Slapshot (just change the sexes), "we were nothing but some rich broad's tax write off".

As a Islanders fan, U know this will get tied up in court and Why is Wang holding majority ownership for two more seasons? And 2 more years of Snow too Damn It

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

Wang likes owning the team, as written many times. LHH has a link to a radio interview with Howie Rose, recorded days ago. I give greater credence to the opinion of Mr Rose then many who "claim to be in the know".

I am sad to see him step away, but happy somebody was willing to massively overpay. I am not shocked to see Wang hold onto a piece of the franchise. When you have the money of a billionaire, I guess you can hang on to things you love. Thanks for keeping the team in NY, and taking the time to do a rebuild where the next 5-10 years fans can get to follow and cheer what appear to be some strong hockey talents.

THIRD BEST minors system in the NHL, cap space to extend players who clearly want to remain with the team, far more success then failure in drafting these past 6 years.

Don22
Don22

@finnmaccul @Don22 My thought is if the fans didn't come out for a mediocre Islanders team all these years, why would they come out for a mediocre Soundtigers team?  Maybe the lure of a new arena, a "downtown" destination area and lower prices might make it work.  I hope it's the ST, but who knows. 

fourcups
fourcups

@finnmaccul @slapshot18_rs 

Ratner won the bid. There is no starting date as he has not been approved by either the Nassau Legislature or the TOH Board. It has not even been presented to either. Every time Ratner speaks he says "We will have an announcement in 2 months." It shud get done but this is Nassau & the TOH still controls the area.

Don22
Don22

@finnmaccul @slapshot18_rs No, you are right.  Ratner won the bid.  MSG tried to wiggle back in but the county approved Ratner.  There was also rumor that the Soundtigers would then move into the new building, but chances are slim because they have a hard time filling a 10,000 seat area 1/2 way.

tag1
tag1

@finnmaccul  This was in Newsday the other day:


"Construction will begin next summer after the New York Islanders depart to play at the Barclays Center and will take 15 to 18 months to complete."

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

haha orange definitely made a mental commitment not to comment, because he still likes peoples comments every now and again.  

doc942
doc942

Please tell me oh great one... when will I be allowed to be happy with my team?

Because according to your logic,

Don22
Don22

@tpjm Right there you got a little something right without even knowing it.  The Isles are "saved" because of the BC, not because of BROOKLYN.  


TROLL.

fourcups
fourcups

@Jason Zimmermann 

I agree. I think Barroway might have just making it public knowledge od what it is like to deal with this guy.

His customers at CA, CA stockholders, Plainview, Oyster Bay, even the bums in the TOH.

I'm a Republican and can't recall the last time I voted for a Republican in the TOH elections. Mondello, Murray, etc. A terrible bunch even for politicians. Still you could not have two worse people trying to make a deal.

Charles "It's my way or the highway." Wang and the Town "We get 65% of the vote in every election so we do what we want." of Hempstead Board.

 

topshelf
topshelf

the profits will be higher for the last year in NVMC (farewell) and the first year in Barclays center (novelty).  He will be able to recoup some of the money he says he lost... I guarantee he excludes the media deal (separate corp) and merchandising (another separate corp). those are his profit centers... 

jepliberty
jepliberty

@rmbbanned 

Hey rm, almost every post of yours comes down to money, money, money  you must be a penny pincher if it means so much to you, and remember it's not YOUR money.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@rmbbanned


Lets just remember a few key points (not that I want to completely diminish your agenda)


-NY IS the place to be, NO body moves out of NY willingly

-Charles Wang said he regrets buying the Islanders: "If I had the chance I wouldn't do it again," Wang told Newsday.

-I love that we rebuilt the franchise, but lets be real about how they did it: 1. they did not have ANY resources to trade and the "rebuild" was really just losing and getting high draft picks 2. The high draft picks: thank sports for the welfare system, that's what helped us turn things around.    (how to gain valuable assets without using any resources/ More loopholes for the rich, by Charles Wang)

Don22
Don22

@slapshot18_rs LOL.  Hope so.  It's been hard to navigate through all this Facebook traffic, but I don't think I've seen a bunch of the regulars like Orange, DK, Mitch and Wangbegone.  

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

That happens when your banned. Personal experience.

doc942
doc942

Because according to your logic, I'm not allowed to get excited about this year because last year sucked. Thanks for the insight.

tag1
tag1

@fourcups @Jason Zimmermann So if I want to knock down my house and build a 10 story building on my property for investment purposes I can do it because I'm paying for it? I don't have to follow any zoning regulations because I'm paying for it? It doesn't matter what my neighbors want because I'm paying for it? Interesting.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@fourcups: not exactly.. It was Charles" it is my money, and this is how I want to spend it" Wang. When told he couldn't spend it that way, he chose not to spend it.

That doesn't make him a bad guy, that is merely him exercising his freedom of choice. That his choice didn't please you, is your problem.. And your a Republican? But your angry a citizen declined to follow the dictates of Kate and the ToH. Interesting approach to being a Republican..

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@jep: You expect people to spend it foolishly because it isn't your money. That is ignorant bliss jep. These guys didn't get rich spending foolishly. They got rich by being smart, and investing wisely.

You keep betting on rich people to be foolish in their investments jep. Always bet against them jep. Enjoy traveling that path, and always have a mouth full of spit to use as they keep lapping you in life.

I tend to look at success, figure out what they did right, and try to emulate it. Wang took a real estate risk, and it blew up in his face. Then he worked, changed the game, and turned a bad decision into at least a marginal gain.

Brooklyn has turned into a brilliant deal, the Franchise price is insane, and he gets to keep just enough to part owner of a hockey franchise. I do believe the man got his cake, and ate it too.

I don't like his ethics, but I do admire his success and business smarts. Paying Barroway $10 million in green mail so he can collect another $100+ million, and still own part of the team. Brilliant business decision. I will always drop $10 to get $100 back. Wouldn't you? He won. Learn from it, and maybe someday you can win.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@jep: that is because sports is a business. You struggle to understand that concept, which is why you lack understanding.

Who just bought the Isles oh great sage of the Western world? A REAL ESTATE GUY, and a money guy from Forbes magazine.

Wake up jep, wake up...

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@willy: couldn't disagree more. Let's begin with the destruction of your agenda.

NY isn't the place to be anymore, professionally or personally. Business is leaving, people are leaving, because the taxes, infrastructure and government are terrible. Have you seen the clown posse running the State?

Wang would be crazy to buy the Isles, knowing today what the last 14 years would bring. Millions wasted on the Lighthouse project. Being the best friend, and best enemy to both political parties in Nassau- depending solely on which party held the County Executive office.

That somebody wanted to bring jobs, construction and revenue to both Uniondale and Nassau during a recession, and it was blocked. Say what you want about Wang and his plans. But I tend to agree with the billionaire vs a county that has a board overseeing their finances every year for how long, concerning a billion dollar public works project.

A bad building( except for sight lines- which isn't a revenue stream) and the worst lease on pro sports.

Thanks for agreeing the Franchise had nothing at the start of the rebuild. They did it the olde fashion way, via the draft. They just weren't bad enough like the Pens- 5 top 5 picks for 5 straight years, including two #1's overall. Maybe you should review the way the Hawks were built. Those guys they just signed for $85 million each, top 5 draft picks.

Everybody rebuilds off sports welfare. Your just not smart enough to understand that fact. Even more so in a salary cap league, when you can't go all Yankees, Red Sox's or Dodgers.

tpjm
tpjm

@willymayshays Yo willybillysayhey, if it wasn't for BROOKLYN and Barclay's Center then NYI would've moved out of NY.  BROOKLYN SAVES!!  (Plus many reports and Ratner etc said Wang had offers to move NYI out of NY. Gotta give the devil his due as he kept them in NY.)  I doubt Wang regrets buying them now after he sold them for $500+ million thanks to BROOKLYN making NYI more valuable. 

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@willymayshays @rmbbanned

-NY IS the place to be, NO body moves out of NY willingly...

Not that I wish to argue with you either but,,, I have moved out of New York willingly TWICE,,, only to be forced to return.  I went to college in Florida and loved it.  I was going to stay there forever but,,, I moved back to New York for a job in 1972.  I had little choice at the time  and returned willingly.  The second time was 2003, and that was because the wife said we are moving back to New York from Florida primarily because the son wanted to move back to New York from Colorado.  We moved,,, sold a house to do it,,, the son returned only to realize that Colorado wasn't all that bad and within three months he was on his way back to the Rocky Mountains.  The wife and i are still here and believe me,,, I want out,,, as soon as possible.  The cost of living index is the second highest in the land and the property taxes are the highest of anywhere in the world.  Utilities are near the top of any cost index world wide and continuing to soar,,, and the value of your dollar is only .88 cents compared to the rest of the country.  Only Hawaii is worse in that regard and at least they have to weather back that up.  Bob Matheson was right,,, all those years ago,,, when he was forced to close the Oak Beach Inn and moved off to Florida.  "Get out of New York before it's too late"  was his mantra,,, and I happen to agree...  

shamwow
shamwow

@doc942 

Go ahead, be happy. Do a Jig. Share an ice cream cone with a puppy.

You feel better now? I'm glad for you, I really really am.

But don't dare excuse and apologize for the wholesale destruction wrought upon this Franchise these past 14 years by the criminal sociopath Chuck Wang...

Because that sort of blatant ignorance surely isn't bliss.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@tag1 

In your very flawed example, your don't own the house. you leased it. And now that your lease is expired, you get to renew or move to a new house- in Brooklyn..


You can not ignore zoning laws. But those same laws can not force you to build something you chose not to build. That fact that Wang chose not to build something he didn't want to build, and moved when his lease expired confuses you.. 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@rmbbanned



Not smart enough, OHHHhhhh, ouch.  What was that for buddy???


You think teams try to be terrible?  They keep the salary cap ON THE FLOOR for YR's??  They sign the Goalie as the GM so they can have a better pick?!?!?  


No, if everyone did that for as long as the Islanders have, new rules would have to be made.  Most teams try to compete every yr.... believe it or not.


So Wang "loves" the Islanders when he is making money, BUT it's a mistake/regret when he's losing money?  Sounds like a real hockey fan.  I guess when you're rich you can have it both ways...

willymayshays
willymayshays

@tpjm @willymayshays


I don't disagree with you, Brooklyn's arena was a great deal.  

But, did Wang want to move out of NY?  Why would anyone want to own a sports franchise in NY?  $$$$.... Come on!

Brooklyn = $ the kind that Wang wanted when he bought the Islanders, albeit, he's not getting his land development dream, but he still made money.  


I don't even live on LI anymore, I don't try to defend LI, but the history of the Islanders, the tradition.


You want more money, better food, fancy drinks and upscale lounging.  I want seats with a good view and hometown/homegrown fans with personality.  


You are just like EVERY arrogant elitist.  Always trying to prove how great your views are.  Probably because you don't really believe half the cr4p that comes out of your own mouth.   





rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@red.. Already planning the out West relocation here too. NY is great, until you have been somewhere else.

NY is dirty, crowded, expensive and falling apart. Loved it in NY, made my money, and I am outta here in 6 months.

steviel
steviel

@REDSpointofview @willymayshays @rmbbanned An  OBI and Bob Matheson reference!!! You my friend are a true Long Islander! Only fans of a certain age will recognize your example. Alas another great Long Island landmark that is now a parking lot. Enjoyed many a night at OBI South and stiil have a "Save the Oak Beach Inn' bumper sticker. 

isles23
isles23

Red, not just on your personal level but let's be serious here. Its not like a sports franchise that has won championships and was extremly popular has never left NY before.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

"Criminal sociopath"- hey vizzini, I do not think you know what those words mean... But it makes for great copy..

doc942
doc942

@shamwow @doc942 Who's apologizing for the past 14 years?  Why can't I be happy for this year and with the direction the team is taking with a productive offseason that addressed the #1 priority (goalie) and the #3 priority (back up goalie) and #4 priority (forward depth and competition)?  Seems silly and childish to not allow yourself to enjoy TODAY's team because YESTERDAYS's team was awful.


Do they still need an established #1 or #2 defensemen? YES!  But I believe he's already in the organization with Reinhart and Pulock.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@willymayshays @rmbbanned

Welfare works until people start to take advantage of the system.  Basic economics.  come on rm, why must I explain this to someone as smart as you?

willymayshays
willymayshays

@rmbbanned


Ps.  I wanted the Lighthouse project to work out.  Would have been good for LI.  A lot of good jobs and good community stuff.  Politics in NY suck.  Did I say something to the contrary?



rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@willy. You hit the nail on the head, without even realizing it. There is no money to be made when a guy like you sits, eats your peanuts, and leaves after parking a NCC to dodge the parking fees. The league makes more money if you would just order center ice, and stay out of the arena.

The arrogant elitist who buys the craft beer, lobster, and then hangs around the luxury suite is the guy who makes the finances work in pro sports. The pro teams are after the top 10% who control 70% of the money.

These players aren't worth these salaries, unless wealthy people and companies are willing to pay to see them do their thing. Wealthy people like fine dining, better beers, and excellent desserts. You don't understand the economics of sport at all.

Sports is a business about making money. Why do you think a commercial real estate guy and a board member of aforesaid are buying the Isles? Money guys..

willymayshays
willymayshays

@rmbbanned


So you don't get the connection between the greed and the corruption?  Things too expensive.  BUT you like the move to elitism in sports???


wow, you call me stupid

willymayshays
willymayshays

@isles23


But that was half a century ago.  It's really hard to compare the Dodgers to the Islanders

isles23
isles23

Doc. I also love how people act like all 14 years were total disasters. Yes playoff series wins have alueded us but that doesn't mean that every season was horrible with nothing to jeer for at all. And I think most could agree if Tucker doesn't take out Peca that history would be different.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@doc942 thought you knew by now you cant be a fan of the islanders if you're not despising the last 14 years of ownership. 

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@willy: last point. Today the NHL changed the draft system. Why. Because every team from the Hawks, to the Pens, to the Kings to the Isles to now the Sabres knew you had to tank for a few seasons to get better.

unless your the Oilers. How not to rebuild a Franchise, ignore the defense completely.

This isn't an Isles-centric problem, yet there are many who feel the need to make it one.

Blame the owners, and blame the system those fools created in the lockouts. And if you listen, you can hear the players association celebrating because the "crush payroll down and be awful" model just went out the window.

Can you hear the sound of Garth Snow closing the door behind him, and laughing now that the value of the Isles 2015 pick, which dropped 20% with the Halak signing, another 10% with Grabo and Kuli, just dropped another 10% with this draft revamping. If I was a Buffalo fan, unhappy isn't to strong a term. Those boys just got rogered..

The draft revamping has been common knowledge, and the move to Brooklyn was common knowledge. Snow knew this all along, we all did. Imagine if Vanek had resigned with the Isles. Scratch Grabo and Kuli works the money out, and the roster spots. Instead insert" point a game while he was here" Vanek with KO and JT. Oh my... Everybody knew the Isles were gonna sign a goalie. Nelson or Strome to the third center spot, the other with Frans and whomever on line two..

That would have been interesting. It will still be interesting. If Halek puts up a .92% save percentage, it will be VERY interesting.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@willy- modern society doesn't have a salary cap, so the welfare analogy is pointless..

The NHL has a salary cap system. As players accrue service time, the reach UFA status. UFA stats is the GOLDEN ticket to labor, and management hates it.

A top line center is $7 million dollars, if you can buy one. An Elite top line center man is $8.5 million, nearly impossible to buy. A top pair defender- which you can't buy, is $8-9 million dollars.

Your top line centerman, and a single top pair defender are almost $17 million( you can't buy them) but that is what the two players would cost. Let's preteen you can magically buy those guys, you got $50 million for the other 18 spots, which is actually about 21 spots over the course of a season. Goalie? $5-6 million for a good one. Not a great one, a good one.

Three players, 1/3 your money gone, good luck with the rest. Those next three defenders will be another $20 million if your interested in being more then a one round wonder.

You can not build a team thru free agency in the current NHL. The most enduring successful franchises have had a period of massive losing, good drafting with high picks, a few nice trades and found success. To argue different is to ignore how teams like the Hawks, Kings and Pens were built. There best players are home grown, uber high draft selections.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@rmbbanned

Without realizing it?  What a stupid thing to say.  Not much goes over my head rm.  I like small market.  I like old fashioned gritty hockey.  How can my opinion be wrong?  I root for the underdogs/Islanders, you can have the Yankees.


Keep the yuppies they're ALL yours buddy.  I moved for a piece of the simple life before it's wiped out all together because ALL the dummies with no foresight destroy the everything great in the world.  BIGGER FASTER STRONGER.  BJ's, KMart and Wallmart.   Stop and Shop buddy you deserve it.


It's nothing new, sports changed a long time ago.  Luxury bS.   It's not sports it's night clubbers, spoiled rich athletes and a few broke families making their yearly pilgrimage.  

doc942
doc942

@isles23 So true.  Rain or shine or as frustrating as many of these seasons have been, I am always a fan and looking forward to better days.

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@ slapshot: very well written:

"thought you knew by now you cant be a fan of the islanders if you're not despising the last 14 years of ownership. "

Shamwow and few others are carrying a cross up and down Hempstead Tpke, while Wang whips them. Just ask them. Their suffering and angst is the stuff of comedy legend.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@rmbbanned


You have to learn how to collect pertinent information with out letting superfluous information block your ability to rationalize important facts.


Salary cap or not ALL types of welfare have this inherent issue!  Where is your head man, you're smarter than that!!  Stop being completely agenda driven.  Your like Hannity with your narrow mindedness. 



Point in fact, some teams draft better than others despite their lower position.  Some teams pick up better players for less.


 I think the Islanders have done better have done better lately, and Bravo for the Islanders not picking up some HUGE contracts that could have been detrimental. 


 BUT, the Islanders have failed in many aspects since Wang bought the team.  Bad contracts earlier (Yashin, DP) disputes with GM's, hiring inexperienced GM's.  Rebuilding since 08?!?  You're fine with that???  Do you think it a bit iniquitous?