Three Prospects Headed to WJC

Last year, the Islanders had three prospects compete in the World Junior Championships and this year they’ll match that number again. All of the players are defenders and were selected by the Islanders in the 2012 draft; Griffin Reinhart (1st round), Ville Pokka (2nd round) and Adam Pelech (3rd round).

Reinhart will be competing for the second year in a row for Team Canada. He’ll have to sit out the first three games of the tournament following a suspension he incurred last year. It adds a little extra importance to Reinhart’s selection, as the Canadian selection committee overlooked the problem of carrying a suspended player for a few games. Regardless, he’s still one of the best defenders on the team and (the best) in the Islanders system.

Joining Reinhart on Team Canada for the first time will be Adam Pelech, a third round pick in 2012. Pelech has 24 points and is +23 in 34 games this season for the Erie Otters, the best team in the OHL.

Another returning player will be Ville Pokka playing for Finland for the third year. Pokka missed the Islanders prospect camp this summer due to military obligations but is playing well at home in Finland’s top league. He has 13 points in 32 games and is a +20. Pokka’s stats are even better considering that he has averaged more than 21 minutes of ice time per game for first place Karpat. It’s unusual to see a 19-year old play such an important role.

53 comments
truth77
truth77

@crazyjoedavola Yeah I know, I dont deserve to comment! That is why all these other kids will be competing in Jrs tourney this week and he will be playing for the Washington Capitols.Joe do ya think Dale Hunter who coached the Capitols Did not help pick this kid for them . Anyone who knows anything about hockey knows how talented the Hunters are at evaluating talent.I tell you what Joe, Four years from now tell me how i do not no nothing about hockey, Martin is one of my favorite Islanders but where was He playing  when he was 19?Watch the kid play for a couple of years then make that comment .Same thing with Strome. .When Pat lafontaine came  up after the Olympics with pat Flatley .flatley was 10 x stronger then Lafontaine and fit right away .At 22 Lafontaine got stronger and with his offensive skills became a force.Tom Wilson is not just a Goon.He has skills and will be a scorer in this league.But like I said from above comment everyone has Opinions,but I dont judge your opinion.Merry Christmas.

bubbamac19
bubbamac19

It would be interesting to see what percentage of players from these teams make the NHL; and more specifically, what percentage of defensemen from these teams make the NHL.

truth77
truth77

@isles23  Sorry I didnt get back to you, Sickness in Family tough to find time.I like Reinhardt,Big shot,will hold the blue line.I just do not think  he should have went number three.I had 6 de man above him in that draft.Like predicting outcome of Drafts its  like horse racing to me.Trying to pick the winners from the losers.

vegasvlo
vegasvlo

I AM SO FRUSTRATED. But i realize one thing is that its just a game.Im not perfect and i was ranting and yelling at the TV and got me know where.  I know it sounds mushy but there are other serious things in life. Dont get me wrong i am so embarrased. I love the islanders to death and i get depressed with our direction of the team. Then i say to myself wait whoever is unfortunate in this world that dealt with tragedy would say its just a dumb game and then it put things in perspective. Im not preaching just trying to shield the pain for us Islanders Fans. WE WILL OVERCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LETS GO ISLANDERS. I WILL ALWAYS BE ROOTING.

CaptainT
CaptainT

phaneuf is a free agent this summer....


truth77
truth77

@isles23.Difference is he is playing now! Reinhardt 3 years in Jrs playing against 17-18-19  year olds .Wilson is playing against Men.Like Pokka .Texas holdup my favorite.

mrcisback
mrcisback

     I'm just hoping that between Griffen Reinhart, Ryan Pullock, Adam Pelech and Ville Pokka we have a top 1 and 2 pairing defenseman between them. I also read in a hockey article a few weeks ago that the Islanders might have picked a diamond in the ruff with the pick of Adam Pelech.

millhouse
millhouse

Does anyone out there think wang or snow read the comments on this site?

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Read something below about the Ryan Smyth trade.  It was a disaster.  Why would a non-contending team trade a first rounder for a guy who could - and did - leave after playing only 18 games?  That's a horrendous deal.  Just because Edmonton screwed up the pick, doesn't mean it wasn't an idiotic trade.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

There are still a lot of oldtimers on LI that enjoy a good Pokka.

rmreturns
rmreturns

Nice write up on the 2012 defender draft. A first, a second and a third rd pick in the world JR's.. Excellent drafting by the franchise, especially with a THIRD rd pick playing big minutes for one of the strongest teams- Canada- while standing about 6'3", 210 pounds... Just what the NHL roster needs- big bodies, big skill on the blueline.

Grow them up right, develop them properly, and welcome them to the NHL.. it's all coming together very nicely...

Chris R
Chris R

well that goes to show you where the isles stand in management...Bar NONE!!!!!!!!

truth77
truth77

@isles23 2012 draft  Washington Capitols pick Tom Wilson I believe 15th in the first round Not only is he going to hammer you into the boards, when you get up he is going to knock you out.This guy is an animal and he can score . If we picked him J.T. could sleep in front of the net no one would mess with him.Going to love it when I see him fight Martin over the years.

puckznpadz
puckznpadz

Orange...Its seems like your name should be gray2327...You weren't cut by the Isles at any point in the last 20 years were you?  I don't think any prospect this team has has ever been touted as a game changer.  I think these prospect are more depth and role players to be honest.  The closest player to being a possible game changer may be Strome.


Beside the obvious change in administration this team needs a true powerful forward to skate and protect JT...The teams need a good stay at home defender and a powerplay specialist. Lastly, the team needs a Goalie that can carry them for the next 7-10 years.  Good luck find those components.  I have been saying it for over a year yet no one on this board has come up with those answer to who to get and what we need to realistically give up to get it down. 

orange2327
orange2327

That's it with this nonsense!! The illusion of " prospects'' which are supposed to carry us to the next level!! Its folly anyone knows it with this bunch!! This team either drafts poorly or cannot develop players properly!! Its always wait till these guys cone through the system!! Nonsense!! If that were the case we would have guys burning up the league!!

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

In 2005 the Canadian Jr team may have produced its strongest lineup in it's history. Below are the names of the players that made the roster. As you can see, several of those players are currently impact or role players on their respective NHL teams.

*SEABROOK Brent

*PHANEUF Dion

BELLE Shawn

*WEBER Shea

*CARTER Jeff

*CROSBY Sidney

*FRASER Colin

*STEWART Anthony

DIXON Stephen

*GETZLAF Ryan

*MACARTHUR Clarke

*RICHARDS Mike

*LADD Andrew

SYVRET Danny

COLLITON Jeremy

*PERRY Corey

*BARKER Cameron

DAWES Nigel

*COBURN Braydon

*BERGERON Patrice

Don22
Don22

@truth77@isles23I agree it's hard to predict.  I also think that of those 6 dmen, you could probably pull their rankings out of a hat and you could be ok.  Most of them are pretty close in talent. 

Don22
Don22

@vegasvloDon't be embarrassed.  Most of us do the same thing.  My AHA moment came about 2 years ago when my daughter was about 10 months old.  I was ranting about the latest Jets loss and it put me in a bad, grouchy mood the rest of the day.  Then I looked at her and decided it's just not worth it.  Root with passion, cheer and hope they win.  And if they don't, hope for a win next time and move on.  You are no less of a fan if you don't complain and/or break things after a loss.

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

@isles ruleWhat a ridiculous comment to make. Strome gets called up to the NHL and now he is being mishandled? And what the heck is wrong with the way Nelson is being managed?

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

he is very over rated and will cost entirely too much for isles management to even consider it. 

isles23
isles23

@truth, You didn't answer my questions though. Are you trying to say isles should've taken him over Rienhart? I don't think there would be a person in the hockey world that would agree with you.

isles23
isles23

Agreed. The big difference to me with what we have now as opposed to the past is you listed four guys instead of just one or two.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Macacawitz   Your right about that trade. It only would have made sense if the islanders could have signed Ryan Smyth at the end of the season.  Just because Edmonton picked Alex Plante with the Islanders 15th pick in the 2007 draft and he was a failure doesn't mean the Islanders would have picked him also. If the trade didn't happen and the islanders kept their pick they might have selected Max Pacioretty 22th, David Perron 26th or PK Subban 43rd overall or many other good players picked after the 15th pick.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Pokka was involved in Finland's first goal against the U.S. today in the World Juniors pre tournament series.  Nice snap from the point that was tipped in on the PP.

isles23
isles23

@truth, What are you trying to say? We shouldve taken him over Rienhart? And he has 4 points in over 30 games. Not exactly top line production.

isles23
isles23

Rienhart is projected to be a game changer as well, but you are right in saying not many from the past have been. KO, Bailey, Nino, all these guys wer never at the top of any prospect list like the guys we have coming are. And every team in the league wants a Lucic, ther are just not many anymore.

rjmatty
rjmatty

@orange2327 This team has some solid prospects, we all know who they are and that is how you build. The problem is at some time you have to bring in some tested free agents, a couple have to be big timers, ie sign Vanek, Phaneuf, and a goalie. Of course you need to spend money, which means on Long Island, it isn't going to happen.

mitchfritz
mitchfritz

@orange2327

its amazing the way some talk like prospect = sure thing.....I guess when all you ever have to look forward to is next year  that's the mentality that takes over..plus its safe..you can always just keep moving the goal post back with every new pick..

steviel
steviel

@orange2327 It's nice we have a couple of prospects , especially D making the team, but the illusion that these guys are guaranteed to step in and turn this franchise around is a reach! Look at the WJC rosters.There are lots of teams with multiple prospects playing in the tournament, Philly has like 5! New talent comes in every year. Every team has it! The Isles haven't cornered the D prospect market! Some make it, some don't! I am rooting that these guy's do well but you also need proper coaching and management to develop them and I don't see any evidence that Snow and Co. can do anything! 

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

Five years later in 2010 this is what the Canadian Jr roster defenseman and goalies looked like.

Goalies

Jake Allen

*Martin Jones

Defence

2 Colten Teubert

3 *Travis Hamonic

5 Marco Scandella

6 *Ryan Ellis

22 *Jared Cowen

24 *Calvin de Haan

27 *Alex Pietrangelo

Don22
Don22

@mrcisback@MacacawitzOR they might have picked Plante.  Mr C, we went back and forth about this in a different post.  It was a trade that teams make to try and either make the playoffs or advance further.  All teams make gambles like that.  Not comparing the trades or players, but was the Pitt trade to get Igilna a bad trade because they didn't resign him?  Trades like that one aren't made for the future. They are made to help now and signing Smythe would have been a bonus. 


As I said earlier with Mr. C, you can as easily say that Garth knew the players he gave up would not amount to anything as much as you can say he didn't know.


Although I still like the Vanek trade, you can argue that trade was bad compared to the Smythe trade solely because of the 2 picks - which at this time are unknown players that could be a superstar or a nobody.

puckywhale
puckywhale

Matt Martin is pretty much better than no one. He has played 30+ games and has 4 points?? His hitting; in which he is so revered for, often times takes him completely out of the play leaving him vulnerable on the defensive end, and in the neutral zone. He is far too often way out of position and is much less than average along the boards. It's really a surprise that it has taken this long to scale back his minutes, but that's an entirely different conversation. Maybe they should have him watch a game in the press box because it's overtly obvious he is not helping much on the ice right now.

ccmm
ccmm

Game changer? Where did you hear that? He's a big if. He'll end up being an ok defence man. I've seen him play.

jbra76
jbra76

Great point, the isles need to add 1 or 2 dmen through a trade or UFA and then hope a prospect or two actually make it.

shlo
shlo

@Chris R@orange2327  No question that the so called "scouting staff" which consists of  2 or 3 individuals here and in Europe is not top notch. Does anybody know who is on the staff other than Ken ? I think there is an ex Islander from Sweden who is covering Europe.  Who else? a semi TV star? a Voodoo priest?   JT was a no brainer, Nino a mistake, nobody projected him so high. Bailey ?  that's enough for one day, need to take care of my blood pressure.


I think they'll be better off if they just took whoever was projected at that spot by central scouting.

Don22
Don22

@isles rule@Lyle OdeleinNino was a "prospect" that thought he deserved to be on the top line right away instead of paying his dues like most other prospects.  And while he did play on a 4th line with marginal talent, if he were as good as the thinks he is then he would have fought through it and showed why the Isles were wrong.  Instead he moped, score ONE point and demanded a trade.  Good riddance.  He was overrated to begin with and his 17 points with 2nd line minutes on a better team is proving that.

Strome playing with the 3rd line may not be the best situation, but I will tell you one thing.  He will make the best of it and prove to the team why he should be on the 2nd line.  Not that playing with Grabs and Bailey is that much better these days.

Bailey maybe was brought up too soon, but he has had plenty of time to shake that off.  The way he has played the last year or two has nothing to do with coming up too soon and is more indicative of the type of player he is going to be for his career. 

Isleguy27
Isleguy27

If Martin hits someone, he has essentially taken a man in which case he is not a defensive liability as it now becomes a 4 on 4 situation.

isles23
isles23

Hockeyfuture puts his potential rating at an 8. That's a potential all-star and equal to players like Dan Boyle. I'd call him a game changer.

rjmatty
rjmatty

@Mark Pomerantz Just think of it this way, the dissapointment of geting Nillson and not Parise was not known at the time, had they signed Parise, he would be gone by now, asthey wouldn't have paid him

Steve Agosta
Steve Agosta

@Mark Pomerantz Better yet...instead of Getzlaf. Then again you can name many more. How can we miss out on a draft that produced so many all stars!!  I cringe when ever I think about the 2003 draft.


red2
red2

@Mark Pomerantz 

@shlo @Chris R @orange2327  

Anders Kallur is no longer with the organization.  I have no idea why he was let go, or the circumstances under which his contract was not renewed.  Velli-Pekka Kautonen is currently the Islanders European scout.

shlo
shlo

So its worse than I thought. Probably part time scouts.

shlo
shlo

Yes I remember this disaster...blood pressure up again..

Mark Pomerantz
Mark Pomerantz

Anders kallur was handling Europe....that's how we would up with Kent Nillsons kid instead of parise.